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So I just restored a pair of Bose 901 Series lll's. Turned out really well. Now I'm thinking about adding a center speaker for when I watch movies and video online. I want something that will sort of match the look and obviously pair well in terms of sound and quality of the 901's. I know people either love or hate the 901's, so be nice! Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated!
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Budget? Room size? Preferences? What would you be using to power the CC?
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Well. As for budget, I would like to spend no more than $100 for just teh center. Room size is about 20 X 12 with 18 ft. ceilings. And currently I'm using a Technics (Panasonic) SA-8100X quad receiver. I would like something with a warmer sound, close to the 901's but with some added crisp highs.
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Well. As for budget, I would like to spend no more than $100 for just teh center. Room size is about 20 X 12 with 18 ft. ceilings. And currently I'm using a Technics (Panasonic) SA-8100X quad receiver. I would like something with a warmer sound, close to the 901's but with some added crisp highs.

$100 is a little thin for a quality center. This is a good center, but it runs about $300. Although you could go used. Check out Audiogon.
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Definitely fine by me to go used.
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Definitely fine by me to go used.

I don't know if Bose makes center speakers, but I would assume that if they did you could find them for pretty cheap. Maybe more of an eBay item than an Audiogon though.
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I don't know how you'll get it (or any center channel) to work with a Quad receiver, but... this is better than nothing:
http://www.amazon.com/Bose-VCS-10-Ce.../dp/B00005T3NH
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no, you're totally right and definitely something i've thought of. was wondering what other people may have done in this situation. has anyone ever "bridged" a center speaker or is it advisable?
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Well... IMO, you're expecting miracles. To "decode" center channel (and surround channels) info properly, you need a either an outboard Dolby Pro-Logic device (at a minimum) and an amp for the center channel or... Just get a new receiver. Your "Quad" receiver is not going to meet your expectations for "surround sound".

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i know i won't actually get "surround sound" from the classic receiver. i actually sold my surround sound with understanding that. just wondering if anyone else has ran a center with a classic receiver to get some sort of faux center. the guy that sold me the quad receiver was telling me that you can simulate surround with the 4 channels or something close to it.
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Unless it has beenredesigned lately, I would stay away from that Bose center channel. Last time I listened to it was back around 2005 and thought it sounded barely better than a $50 table radio: muffled, and muffled-sounding centers are major no-no in my opinion, and lacked any kind of mid bass imo especially with male voices. A nearby Sony center costing about $75 sounded much better to my ears. I truly think Bose makes some decent sounding stuff but I think that center is just awful.

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i know i won't actually get "surround sound" from the classic receiver.

Sure you can, if it includes a set of auxiliary 4.0 input jacks. Then you will need a dvd or Blu-ray player with multichannel analog output jacks, though that feature is getting hard to find lately. Program the player's speaker management system for "no center" and "no subwoofer" and it will fold those chanels' signals into the left & right front main channels.
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Btw I knew starting back in the 50s a lot of stereo gear included a center channel output, but cannot remeber if a passive circuit was available to extract *just* the center info. I do remember another method and that the left+right channels were combined to produce a mono signal used as a center signal though to me that is kind of a sloppy method.* Here is a 1962 model Fisher receiver that uses vaccum tubes using the latter method. Fyi this Fisher is NOTHING like the Fisher brand that came about in the early 80s: http://antiqueradio.org/Fisher800B.htm

* engineers actually wanted a three channel system to replace mono, but home playback technology at the time could not support that format. Center channels were also desired by owners of larger cornerloaded horn speakers like the Klipschorn, which because of their locations in a typical room, caused an audible "hole" in the stereo image.
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The VCS-10 will work fine with 901 SIII. In reality, with a hodge-podge setup, any speaker will suffice.

Will/can it work with a 30 year old quad receiver? Not really.

Most receivers from that era decoded QS, SQ and CD4 (if I remember correctly). No center channel info is extracted (nor was it intended).
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The VCS-10 will work fine with 901 SIII. In reality, with a hodge-podge setup, any speaker will suffice.

Will/can it work with a 30 year old quad receiver? Not really.

I wasn't really recommending he use a passive network or other means so he could use a center channel, instead I actually mentioned the quality of the Bose and the old ways of genrating a center signal because I got distracted by the mention of old audio gear and got off-topic!

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Most receivers from that era decoded QS, SQ and CD4 (if I remember correctly). No center channel info is extracted (nor was it intended).

Your memory is correct and no, no center was used with those music-oriented systems and in fact, many audio engineers to this day dislike using one with their multichannel music mixes.

As far as the 901s for HT use, to be perfectly frank I would not use them because of their huge and rather "ambient" soundfield they produce and even if a center was used with them (and an A/V receiver found that could accomodate the active EQ, proably impossible these days), the left and right front channel info on the soundtrack would be coming at the listeners from multiple directions, imo leading to a confusing image+audio experience.
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............... and in fact, many audio engineers to this day dislike using one with their multichannel music mixes.

One can only wonder why. Sometimes, it is hard to change long-time behavior patterns.

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As far as the 901s for HT use, to be perfectly frank I would not use them because of their huge and rather "ambient" soundfield they produce and even if a center was used with them (and an A/V receiver found that could accomodate the active EQ, proably impossible these days), the left and right front channel info on the soundtrack would be coming at the listeners from multiple directions, imo leading to a confusing image+audio experience.

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The 901's, IMO are probably the best speakers Bose ever produced and some of the nicest sounding speakers for audio only ever made as well (and I dislike Bose). Unfortunately those speakers were designed for music and not really a home theater application. The 701's and 501's were designed more for home theater applications. My dad still uses a set of 501's for his L/R and Acoustimass dual cube setup for center and both rear's in a 5.1 setup.

So that is something you could use is an Acoustimass system (either the single cube, or dual cube) with your quad-receiver and your 901's.

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thanks for the great info everyone. i was also wondering about the polk audio CC speakers. anyone have any info for these models in comparison to the VCS-10?

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Cen...7928587&sr=8-7

also, since this is going to be somewhat of a 'hodge podge" system and i admit that, should i wire the center in mono? so that i don't get get just the left or right channel coming from the center? more or less that's all i could hope for with this receiver and i'm cool with that.
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