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I am looking to add some speakers to a 55" LG 5LV9500 in my bedroom (about 14'x14'). TV is on top of a dresser along with a DTV DVR. No room really to place any other components along with it. No blu-ray player currently, but may add one down the road. I have considered several options. At first, I was going to go with a soundbar, but I have since disregarded that option (unless you guys feel this would possibly be a better alternative). At the moment, I have been considering some active speakers such as Swans or M-Audios (others?). This has been my most desirable option since I really do not want to have a receiver. Second option would be some bookshelves with a receiver. How are these two options going to compare as far as sound quality and filling the room. Are active speakers such as the Swan M200MkII going to be at a huge disadvantage with them being near-field? Lastly, other option is some floor standing ones. Now one problem here is if the woofers are pretty much going to be shooting directly into my bed which is about 30" tall and about 5' from where the speakers will be placed. Will this be a problem as far as distorting the sound due to unwanted absorption? Stands would obviously be needed for active/passive bookshelves and I could simply raise them up high enough, but this is another added cost. I also plan to add a sub at some point, but reasonably priced suggestions are okay now. Finally, budget here is $300-400 (possibly more with a sub). In the end, I am not looking for anything crazy, just some decent sound to complement my TV. Thanks.
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Well for set/boxed 2.1s i would say look at the highest end offerings from Edifier like the S730?
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frankly a soundbar sounds like a good option....

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Alright, lets try this one more time.

I am now leaning towards a set of floor standing speakers and a sub now or down the road. Due to the limited room on my dresser though, I am interested in one of the small t-amps due to the small form factor. Will these be powerful enough to handle a set of decent floorstanding speakers and does the sub hook up to it as well? Furthermore, can this then be hooked up to the tv? Will I be able to control the volume through the tv or only through the amp? Is setup fairly easy? If this is not possible, are there any smaller receivers that would handle the job? And finally, if that is a no as well, please recommend a decently priced receiver. 5.1 would be preferable for upgrading down the road unless this would require a hefty price increase to get decent quality.

Next, recommendation wise of floorstanding speakers and a corresponding t-amp assuming this will work. Also, a decent sub to add as well or later down the road? Budget is around $400. Thanks.
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For my PC Audio/near field set up i went TA2020 amp with a pair of efficient bookshelf speakers and they do excellently so maybe if u want to scale it up perhaps a beefier T-Amp like the TK2050 and going with somewhat efficient floor standers should be fine ^^ What kind of audio out does your TV have? You can set internal TV speaker volume to zero, and connect amp via headphone out? Control volume with TV remote via Headphone volume If going AVR that would depend if your TV has digital audio out, what sort of ports the AVR has, etc
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Alright, so I have decided to go with bookshelf speakers with a sub for both my computer and tv (as it seems like quality of floorstanding will not be as good for a $200-300 budget). Now I just need to decide what speakers, sub, and amp to get. I am leaning toward these two amps:

Lepai Tripath TA2020
Dayton Audio DTA-100a

I assume the lepai should be sufficient for near field bookshelves and the dayton will be good paired with my tv speakers.

What bookshelves can you recommend for $200 for near field listening at my computer? Computer use will be for gaming and music. A search of these forums brought up the Behringer Truth B2030P. While I know they are active and would therefore not need an amp, I am unsure if a studio monitor is the route to go. The 1 year warranty on these is discouraging as it is on Swan speakers. Any other recommendations, passive or active, for near field listening, preferably with a 3+ year warranty, to be paired with the lepai if needed? Also, any sub recommendations at about $150?

As for my tv, I have flip flopped a little from floorstanding to bookshelves, but I have heard it said a couple times that for the same price range, bookshelves will be better quality. Is this the case? Can floorstanding speakers even be paired with the dayton t amp? So what would you recommend here for speakers and a sub (at least with bookshelves)? Pretty much I am looking at a $350-400 budget here.
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What bookshelves can you recommend for $200 for near field listening at my computer? Computer use will be for gaming and music. A search of these forums brought up the Behringer Truth B2030P. While I know they are active and would therefore not need an amp, I am unsure if a studio monitor is the route to go. .

The Behringer Truth B2030P are the passive versions. The 2030A would be the active version with power amp built in.

The Energy RC-10s are on sale at Vanns this weekend only for $269.88. They are fantastic speakers and a great value. Would even be worth forgoing the sub for now and getting those. See this review.

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I appreciate the reply. I wondered why there was a P and A version of the same speaker. Guess that explains it.

Those speakers look nice. Any idea how they would stack up against the Infinity P163, P363, Energy CB20, or Bic America FH-65B?
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One soundbar option that may be worth it...

Quad L-ite LCR...
http://www.hometheater.com/content/q...-labs-measures

There's a guy on Audiogon/Ebay that is selling them cheap. He's a stand up seller though. I'd buy through Audiogon, since there is a "best offer" option - might get it a little cheaper than his asking price.
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I appreciate the reply. I wondered why there was a P and A version of the same speaker. Guess that explains it.

Those speakers look nice. Any idea how they would stack up against the Infinity P163, P363, Energy CB20, or Bic America FH-65B?

The RC-10s are considered by many to be top grade speakers that would be a different class from the Infinity and Bic America. Some people at AVS seem to like the CB-20 a little better for HT than the RC-10. Music, the RC-10 definitely wins.

Here's a thread about the RC-10 vs the HSU HB1. Later on in the thread, a couple of AVS members did a listening test comparing the HB1 with both the CB-20 and the RC-10. Also, side by side pictures in that thread so you can judge the aesthetics.

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Oops, I missed the post where the OP decided to go with booskshelf speakers...

In that case - I have to agree with the Energy RC-10 recommendation. Great speakers for that price.
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Thanks for all the input. Since these will be almost exclusively for HT, I guess the CB-20 is the speaker to beat atm. Just have to wait for a deal on it. Any other speakers people would recommend to consider?

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Well, given the deal on the RC-10s now, I am strongly considering going with them. However, with Black Friday/Cyber Monday approaching fast, I am not sure if it is wise to wait a little longer to see if a deal comes up.

Also, I am looking at these stands atm:

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B00005U...etteraddons-20

However, weight limit is 25 lbs and the RC-10s say they are 27 lbs each. Any other thoughts? The CB-20s are supposedly only 12 lbs each. Think this is a mistake and they are giving the total weight for the pair?
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yes, that is the combined shipping weight. RC-10's do not weigh 27lbs each, more like 13.

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Well, given the deal on the RC-10s now, I am strongly considering going with them. However, with Black Friday/Cyber Monday approaching fast, I am not sure if it is wise to wait a little longer to see if a deal comes up.

You can ask in the Energy Owner's Thread, but I don't think the RC-10s have gotten down to this price in recent history. This might be a snag it now or lose it deal.

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Thanks for all the input. Since these will be almost exclusively for HT, I guess the CB-20 is the speaker to beat atm. Just have to wait for a deal on it. Any other speakers people would recommend to consider?

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Well, given the deal on the RC-10s now, I am strongly considering going with them. However, with Black Friday/Cyber Monday approaching fast, I am not sure if it is wise to wait a little longer to see if a deal comes up.

Also, I am looking at these stands atm:

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B00005U...etteraddons-20

However, weight limit is 25 lbs and the RC-10s say they are 27 lbs each. Any other thoughts? The CB-20s are supposedly only 12 lbs each. Think this is a mistake and they are giving the total weight for the pair?

Get the RC-10s, they are a better speaker than the CB-20. Smoother, more balanced sounding. I have a pair and they weigh about 12 lbs each max. 27lbs was the shipping weight for a pair.

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Get the RC-10s, they are a better speaker than the CB-20. Smoother, more balanced sounding. I have a pair and they weigh about 12 lbs each max. 27lbs was the shipping weight for a pair.

I really appreciate the recommendation. I am about to order these. Just hoping to confirm one last thing about the amplifier.

I am hoping to pair it with

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B004JK8...etteraddons-20

I hope to pair these speakers with a subwoofer at some time, and the bigger dayton amp has the ability to set the low pass crossover for when pairing with a sub. How important would this be for my setup, and is there another piece of equipment that I would need in order to achieve this? And will this amplifier be sufficient to power these speakers to obtain reasonably high volumes for my smallish room being 50 WPC?

Thanks for the help once again everyone.

Edit:

Looking at a couple subs, it looks like they have a low pass filter built in that you can adjust. Will this do the trick? How will this affect setting up the system? I have considered the BIC F12 sub

http://www.bicamerica.com/images/bic/full/F-12.jpg

It appears to have no RCA connectors, so how would I connect this to the t amp?
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For $100 for a 2.1 setup? You'd be better to watch your local Craigslist for a used surround receiver that has bass management, something that will set the front speakers to small so that a built in crossover is used with a sub. I'm not sure how you would get a sub to work with the t-amp unless you find a sub like the Velodyne VX-11 that has speaker level input and pass through.

Otherwise, for a 2.0 setup, I have the Leapai t-amp. Works well with bookshelf speakers and would be capable of driving those RC-10s at reasonably loud listening volumes. I wonder if the Dayton would be sufficiently louder to justify the extra dollars?

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I thought an rca connection from the sub to the amp would do the trick such as this subwoofer has:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=300-635

As for the amp you mentioned, I was considering that for a possible computer audio setup, but I just did not know if it had sufficient wattage (for HT use). If you believe it does, then that would be a huge savings.
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I thought an rca connection from the sub to the amp would do the trick such as this subwoofer has:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=300-635

As for the amp you mentioned, I was considering that for a possible computer audio setup, but I just did not know if it had sufficient wattage (for HT use). If you believe it does, then that would be a huge savings.

You are right. I'm not familiar with that sub. If you can find one that has some kind of line level pass through, that will work.

Edit: Not for HT use so much as moderate listening levels with a TV show. Sure.

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You think this at 40 WPC would be in the middle:

http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/B001P2V...etteraddons-20

Or is the MAX output misleading and it really would not be much better than the lepai?

I can always try the lepai and then pair it with my computer audio setup if it is insufficient.

Last question (hopefully), speaker wire to connect bookshelves to amp? Manual says up to 12 gauge.
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Everything has been setup. Speakers sound great. Subwoofer definitely makes its presence felt. I was able to use the headphone jack on my TV without any background noise as I noticed with some cheap earbuds. Works perfectly and allows volume control through the TV.

Only thing I am disappointed with is the immediate $20 drop in price at amazon to $180 of the PSW505 after waiting for it to finally drop back down to $200 for a week. Anyone ever had luck with price matches after purchase with amazon?
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Everything has been setup. Speakers sound great. Subwoofer definitely makes its presence felt. I was able to use the headphone jack on my TV without any background noise as I noticed with some cheap earbuds. Works perfectly and allows volume control through the TV.

That's awesome that it is working well

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Thanks. Preciate all your recommendations and help!
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So, you ended up w/ the RC10's? Tell us how they sound to you. What do you like about them? What do you not like about them?
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They sound good at the moment. Have not broken them in though, but coming from my thin LED LCD TVs built in speakers, they are obviously miles ahead already.

One problem I am having with this setup is too much bass during dialogue like when I was listening to football announcers. Any suggestions to alleviate this?
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What receiver/amp are you using?

First make sure the sub is properly calibrated with an appropriate volume and crossover. If the dialogue is "leaking" into the sub then you can get muddy dialogue.

Second you can try plugging the ports of the RC-10s. That will clean up boominess causes by proximity to the back wall.

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Well, I am using a small Lepai Tripath TA2020A+ T amplifier. I am using the speaker level input/output on the subwoofer to connect both the sub and speakers to the amplifier and to use the built in crossover in the sub. If I turn the volume all the way down on the subwoofer, the boominess disappears. So I assume it is a limitation of the setup. Would using a splitter at my TVs headphone jack and then running a Y cable from the TV to the amplifier and subwoofer separately help at all? Then I would not have to use the speaker level connections on the sub. I do not see if this would help with signal leakage though since the entire signal is still being sent to the subwoofer either way, correct?

As for the RC-10s, they are about a foot from the wall on stands. I do not think they are the cause of the problem though.
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Well if it goes away when you turn the volume down on the sub then it's not the speakers. Sounds like you are going to have to do some tweaking in terms of sub placement, volume, and crossover. Getting a smooth blend with a 2.1 setup can be tricky so start experimenting.

I would stick with the current wiring, you want to utilize the sub crossover if you don't have a receiver with digital bass management.

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Alrighty, thanks for the info.
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Well if it goes away when you turn the volume down on the sub then it's not the speakers. Sounds like you are going to have to do some tweaking in terms of sub placement, volume, and crossover. Getting a smooth blend with a 2.1 setup can be tricky so start experimenting.

I would stick with the current wiring, you want to utilize the sub crossover if you don't have a receiver with digital bass management.

batpig: Since the variable crossover on the PSW505 goes down to 60hz, but the RC-10s go to 50hz, is it likely that the problem could be caused by the overlap in that range?

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