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Hi! I am looking to upgrade my front speakers and so far I have a "working" list as follows:

Bic America FH-6T
POLK AUDIO TSi300
Premier Acoustic PA-6F
Premier Acoustic PA-4.4 Monitors
HTD Level TWO towers

Any input on these, or any others I may have missed?

I will be using them for about 50-50 music/HT
My musical tastes are VERY eclectic

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None of the above. I'd recommend Infinity Primus P363 or P253's, or the previous versions of those (362/252 or 360/250). You can find the 363's all day long at $400 a pair, occasionally at $300 a pair, and Fry's had them last weekend at $200/pair + tax. With some searching you can find Energy RC-30's around your budget as well. Out of the above, however, I'd give the HTD Level Two's a shot, although I've never heard them myself.
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Definitely not the TSi300s. You can get the Polk Monitor 60's for $105 each right now which is equivalent to the TSi400. One day sale only but they do come on sale quite often.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290206

People seem to like the Primus 363 speakers also. And as was mentioned above Fry's has them on sale for $200/pr right now.

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Check this out and convince yourself to purchase the Infinities (Infinitys?).
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Polk monitor 70's series ii when on sale from newegg.com for $180 per speaker


They are equal to the Polk TSi 500 in performance and audio quality
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Cheaper towers won't perform as well as better quality bookshelf types. Just plan for a sub at some point. Or push your budget up a bit and get better towers.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the quality or sound of the lower end Polk's.

Good bang vs. buck bookself:

HSU HB-1 mk2's - $129 each

Aperion Audio's Intimus 5B - $225 each

PSB Alpha or Image series

Paradigm Monitor Series 7

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About $100 over your budget, bass down to 37hrz -6db.
http://www.theaudioinsider.com/produ...products_id=67
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About $100 over your budget, bass down to 37hrz -6db.
http://www.theaudioinsider.com/produ...products_id=67

I've read good things about those too. I don't know how dynamic they are for home theater applications, though, with the planar tweeter.

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The A2 is great as a center but I haven't ordered the A3 or A5 yet. Right now its the A1 bookshelfs and A2 center and it blows away my old Axiom M22s and VP150. I would say the planar tweeter is comparable to a normal dome tweeter, just more natural sounding, plus they have a very wide open sound to them. The woofers are just crazy, huge excusion and no distortion at all. I ran the A1 bookshelfs with a 40hrz cutoff and had them really jamming with no stressful sounds at all.

Not mine but shows what the xbl 2 woofers can do http://vimeo.com/20716328
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The cheapest I can find the P363 now is from Audiohilics. It is $460.60 for the pair shipped. Use promo code PRIMUS30 for 30% off the Primus line.

http://store.audioholics.com/product...speaker--each-

If you don't care about the silver front baffle, you can go with the P362 which is exactly the same for $359.74 shipped from Electronics Expo.

Not sure what your requirements are, but J&R has the Polk Monitor 70 for $438.26 shipped. You have to go through Amazon or shipping costs go up if ordered directly from J&R.

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Mon...0945937&sr=8-2

Not sure where some of the other posters are getting prices for $400/pair for the P363s. I haven't seen those prices in at least a week. They've all gone up for some reason. Fry's did have them at $200/pair, but I doubt you'll find any store with them in stock anymore. It's an in store purchase only and first come first served. I had to call around many shops to find one last Friday when they first went on sale. Drove to the closest only to find out I was 30 minutes too late. Some guy came and took all eight they had left.

Back on topic. I would highly recommend the P363/P362. Same speaker different baffle color. To me, they sounded much better than many of the $2k - $3K speakers I demo'd a couple years ago. I listened to B&W (CM8/9 and 684 I think), Martin Logan, Thiel, Def Tech, Energy, Vienna Acoustics among others. Only the Martin Logans and Thiels sounded better to me than these IMO. Then again, the Martin Logans were also $8K.
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P362's are on Amazon for $150 + $30 shipping each.

http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primu...0877417&sr=8-1

But yes, you're right. P363 prices have gone up since I last looked.
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Hi! I am looking to upgrade my front speakers and so far I have a "working" list as follows:

Bic America FH-6T
POLK AUDIO TSi300
Premier Acoustic PA-6F
Premier Acoustic PA-4.4 Monitors
HTD Level TWO towers

Any input on these, or any others I may have missed?

I will be using them for about 50-50 music/HT
My musical tastes are VERY eclectic

Thanks in advance smile.gif

What is the size of your room in feet LxWxH? How far away from the speakers do you sit?

If you are more than 12 feet from your speakers in a room over 2000 cuft, then you will want to go with high efficiency speakers like the BIC FH model. If you are within 12-feet in a room under 2000 cuft, then I'd recommend the BIC DV-series towers. I've heard Infinity/Polk models and they are NOT in the sound quality class of the BIC DV series. Also, look into BIC subwoofers which are also incredible bang for the buck. BIC should get an award for the best budget speaker systems in the business.
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Cheaper towers won't perform as well as better quality bookshelf types. Just plan for a sub at some point. Or push your budget up a bit and get better towers.

I was of the same opinion at one point and I spent $1200 on a pair of bookshelves. I stepped down to a pair of $500 towers and I find them to be much higher quality. The build isn't nearly as nice as the bookshelves, though.
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I was of the same opinion at one point and I spent $1200 on a pair of bookshelves. I stepped down to a pair of $500 towers and I find them to be much higher quality. The build isn't nearly as nice as the bookshelves, though.

Your last sentence is what I'm driving at.

The HSU HB-1 mk2's at $129 each are mid-sized monitor bookshelf types and can throw a bigger soundstage than some of those towers mentioned above. Built better too. BIC gets good reviews from what I read.

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On Black Friday BB will have Klipsch KF 26 and 28 for half off. These speaker handle a lot of power and are very efficient. They are great for music and HT. Just another option!

Klipsch RF 7 based HT 7.4, Pioneer SC 35, Acurus Five 200 amp, Chase SS 18.2(2), VS 18.1(2), Samsung BDP F 7500, Asus/My Book Live HPC 4 TB

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Boston VR1 speakers - they are good
http://www.onecall.com/Product/Bosto...sku=101369&t=2
http://www.amazon.com/Boston-Acousti.../dp/B003E97P8O

I would really consider the Snell speakers - on Audiogon
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....Model-K5-monit

And Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Classic-SNEL...item3a6c8e9d0c

For the fun of it - some used, and demo Paradigm bookshef speakers
Look at the Titan V6 speakers
http://spearitsound.com/Paradigm/paradigmrefstuv4.htm

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Check out www.audiogon.com also. If you don't mind used you could get better quality for less.
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Not sure what your requirements are, but J&R has the Polk Monitor 70 for $438.26 shipped. You have to go through Amazon or shipping costs go up if ordered directly from J&R.

http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-Mon...0945937&sr=8-2

Through today, Newegg has them for $150 each shipped (promo code EMCJJJJ25). That's a great price that might not come around again for a long time.

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Through today, Newegg has them for $150 each shipped (promo code EMCJJJJ25). That's a great price that might not come around again for a long time.

Thanks! That's an amazing price. Even better if you're out of state and don't have to pay tax on them. Just saw that right before logging on to AVS. Those were my second choice to the Infinity Primus P363. Had I not found an even better deal on the Primus just last week I would have bit on this deal. It was such a great deal I cleared out their inventory.
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Hey Timothy91

Roughly 18-L, 12-W, 6.5-H
I sit about 8ft away from fronts.
I am in a position to get a pair of Paradigm monitor 7's for a good price. Any reason I shouldn't go for those? thanks

Thank you soo much to all here for the input. I now have almost too much info, but it's great!!!
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What series of Paradigm Monitor 7's? The newest are Series 7. Some like them better than Series 6 models.

I have Paradigm Studios and they rock.

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Great deal!

http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls....erry-Towers---

I haven't heard these but they look very promising and will definitely need a subwoofer. That is one of those things where I would like to audition them with the option to ship them back if I don't like 'em.

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Hey Timothy91

Roughly 18-L, 12-W, 6.5-H
I sit about 8ft away from fronts.
I am in a position to get a pair of Paradigm monitor 7's for a good price. Any reason I shouldn't go for those? thanks

Thank you soo much to all here for the input. I now have almost too much info, but it's great!!!

In a room this size, you might want to consider a room treatment on the far wall behind you "if" you hear any obvious slapping echo behind you. Your rear wall distance is nearly far enough to start giving some unwanted feedback instead of giving a nice ambience effect. If everything sounds pleasant with that echo, then just leave it as is.

Next, everyone has a preference. I myself like "smooth" sounding speakers with a nice wide image and some decent dynamic range if possible to top it off. Some people like the dry, hard-edged sound from high-efficiency speakers. It's all a matter of preference and you room is fully capable of having it "all". Smooth sound, wide stereo image, good dynamics and deep, strong bass. And you don't have to spend a bunch.

I think you should actually start by listening to Energy speakers or maybe try the Mirage Omni-pole series towers too and even the Martin Logan Electrostats in a real room just to hear what really good imaging and "balanced" sound is like. Those speakers don't have tons of "slam" but will give you a very good idea what to listen for in the other speakers that you "do like". I am all about the school of thought where you must listen carefully to other speakers you don't care for and find what they do "well". Then you will know when you hear THE speaker which has the "sound" you like but also has other strong qualities you heard in other speakers. Granted, I've never liked "metallic" tweeters, the ones on Energy and Mirage are more tolerable for me than most. It's the imaging that shines on them though.

There are lots of options. I happen to like the sound of the BIC DV series, (but they could've been better with a dedicated smaller midrange). Regardless, it's a nice sounding speaker with a good balance. For what it costs, it's clearly a front-runner in your price range but you might actually still prefer the BIC high-efficiency horn-based ones.

Buy speakers from a place that will accept returns if you aren't satisfied and give each speaker a test run. The lower efficiency speaker won't need as much volume on the control, so be careful not to judge each speaker from exactly the same volume setting on the receiver. Try to judge them when they are sounding equally loud.
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What series of Paradigm Monitor 7's? The newest are Series 7. Some like them better than Series 6 models.

I have Paradigm Studios and they rock.

They are the V.4's
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They are the V.4's

What are they asking for them? You could also list that in the Paradigm thread and get some other opinions too.

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On Black Friday BB will have Klipsch KF 26 and 28 for half off. These speaker handle a lot of power and are very efficient. They are great for music and HT. Just another option!

Gonna check these out today. Tiny little satellites in a 23x21x8 room just dont quite cut it.

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