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As some of you know, I'm on the quest on searching for decent speakers and sound quality for my computer desktop. Just like the Logitech Z Cinema 2.1. Sadly that is discontinued and cannot be purchased from anywhere.

My old speakers - Logitech X-530 were decent I guess. Good bass and you can hear different tones of the basses as well as clarity of sound of music and makes you feel like you are right there. This was just using 2 speakers + sub.

I spent alot of money on Corsair SP2500 after great reviews only to find they are RUBBISH! no mids or anything. completely flat.
Returned them and got Bose companion 3 - good clarity but poor bass (muddy)
Now got the Logitech Z503 - overall GREAT BUT.... sometimes the sound on the tracks is a little muddled or vocals playing with alot of instruments in the background sound a little muddled or flat.
so these are going back tomorrow.

I want something just like the Logitech Z 2.1 Cinema. I heard these recently but that was just a show thing.

I'm so frustrated. I want some decent computer desktop speakers where the basses can be heard (not too powerful either as I have neighbours to consider) and the clarity of sound is great and no "flat" stuff.

Sure, amp and speakers but... not enough room.

I really am upset. Genuinely. I feel like ill never be able to hear music the way it was meant to be.

of course, im comparing it to my X-530 but nothing comes the same or better. or even that close. Sure I could get another pair but... thought why not go for something better if possible
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This is what I did,Roland Cakewalk monitors ma-15d.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MA15D/

Very nice, clean sounding speakers. They have a digital input,
bass boost switch on the back (I don't use) AND a subwoofer
output jack!

Add An inexpensive powered sub and I think you'll be pleased.
http://www.amazon.com/BIC-AMERICA-V-...1139562&sr=8-4
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thanks

omg - a speaker that has a treble! lol. finally

the problem is... storage/location since it will be put on my computer desk. I dont have much room there and its unfortunate not being able to hear it before buying.

just wish i could get the logitech Z cinema 2.1
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Too bad,get a bigger desk,OR buy some cheap book shelves
at Home Depot and wall mount the speakers. You are not going to get good sound with those tiny left/Right speakers.

Sweetwater does have A Return policy if you Are not happy.
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I know but I DO get good sound from the speakers I had....

and i rent the place
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omg - a speaker that has a treble! lol. finally

the problem is... storage/location since it will be put on my computer desk. I dont have much room there and its unfortunate not being able to hear it before buying.

just wish i could get the logitech Z cinema 2.1

If that's what you really want, they're available (used) on ebay.
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Hey I tried, you want performance but your gonna need to
make some kind of compromise.

My desk is 39" wide x 18"deep, I have enough room
for A 20 inch monitor, the speakers Above, And a keyboard.
My tower is on the floor on the left of the desk, printer
on a stool on the Right side. It aint pretty but I made it work!
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There is always

http://store.cambridgesoundworks.com/dp/B004GV0C16

I have it on good confidence that where you to buy this set up, I would be reading a glowing review posted by you after you heard it.. lol

after all it wasn't til after Logitech bought Cambridge that they made anything that sounded decent anyway..


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You'll have a lot more choice if you go with unpowered speakers and an amp. Surely you have room for one of these:

Dayton Audio DTA-100a Class-T Digital Amplifier 50 WPC
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You'll have a lot more choice if you go with unpowered speakers and an amp. Surely you have room for one of these:

Dayton Audio DTA-100a Class-T Digital Amplifier 50 WPC

I suggested a t-amp in his previous thread, but I think the OP really wants toy speakers instead of home audio quality bookshelves.

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I suggested a t-amp in his previous thread, but I think the OP really wants toy speakers instead of home audio quality bookshelves.

And was warned about Corsair speakers

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Too bad then. PC speakers have such a narrow range of applications. Quality bookshelves can be used with the PC, in a HT setup, for music etc and if they're any good, will last for many years.
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Too bad then. PC speakers have such a narrow range of applications. Quality bookshelves can be used with the PC, in a HT setup, for music etc and if they're any good, will last for many years.

If I were in London, I'd head over to Superfi and check out the Wharfedale Diamond 9.1s. They've had good reviews. Pair that with a t-amp, and the OP might not even feel he needs a sub.

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Thanks all.
The freq of the speakers should be at least 20Hz.

I didnt know logitech bought cambridgeworks/sound - interesting.

the only reason I want to "toy" with the computer speakers is because I've always had one, and a sound card and its more convenient than having seperate amp and speakers. it just makes more sense.

but i guess I am now heading to this way. its unfair/unfortunate though to spend that amount of money and more external equipment just to find some quality speakers
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That spec (20Hz) does not make sense. Virtually no computer speaker systems have usable output at 20Hz, which is the lowest bass frequency in the oft-quoted 20Hz - 20,000Hz range of human hearing. Fortunately, you don't need 20Hz output for music listening generally. Very few people(*) have it, even in their home theater setups.

Also, be aware that frequency range specs are generally not strictly comparable between systems. Often there is no tolerance given, or the measurement procedure is not comparable, or the numbers are simply pure marketing fiction. My advice is to not focus too much on specs such as power or frequency range. Find some speakers that fit your budget and that you like the sound of, or that seem to get consistently good reviews.

I've never heard any of these, but I bet they sound much better than most computer speakers. Call and talk to them -- the owner of that site posts on here and is an audio enthusiast. I bet he would give you reasonable advice.
http://www.theaudioinsider.com/index...nd&cPath=21_24

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This should be entertaining. Reading through the OP's other posts (it looks like he keeps asking the same question every few days), he repeatedly ignores all the suggestions people make, and instead keeps on going on about how great his old Logitech's were. On top of that, he claims to be a music producer, yet considers Logitech and Bose to be the height of musical fidelity. Based on that, I'm fairly certain he has no idea what accurate sound sounds like, and making any further suggestions is entirely moot (he's received probably a dozen good ones in this and his other threads, including one going back to 2009).
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I am starting to wonder if you really are looking for great sound or just looking for the same sound that you had for a long time and liked? Nothing wrong with that just buy the same system off ebay and be done with it.

My review comparisons of Energy RC-70s to Veritas V6.3 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21199418
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I am starting to wonder if you really are looking for great sound or just looking for the same sound that you had for a long time and liked? Nothing wrong with that just buy the same system off ebay and be done with it.

Yeah. I don't know that anyone can help. None of these Logitech, Corsair, or Bose speakers have any serious audio quality. It's a matter of you have found the pair witt the X-530s that you can (a) live with the deficiencies, (b) are working OK for how you have them setup and the room acoustics, and (c) you have gotten used to them.

Even if you find the Logitech Z cinema, they may not sound good once you get them home. These are all "toy" speaker systems you have been considering with little bitty drivers in cheap plastic housings with small tiny subs that just add some thump to try to make up for the drivers midbass weakness, all powered by an inexpensive built in amp. Basically, it's hard for anyone to advise you how to get other "crap" speakers that you can live with.

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I have been really impressed with my 2.0 Swan desktops. They sound fantastic. I've never heard or seen desktops that sound as good as mine. Not that I actively go looking or anything.

http://www.swanspeaker.com/products/...5&sid=0&pid=24

But, Swan also carries quite a few 2.1 systems that would have more bass if that is what you are looking for. I'd take a look at this page and they should have something that fits into your price range.

http://www.swanspeaker.com/products/products.aspx?cid=5

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Now, I would play with the Focal toys
http://www.audioaffair.co.uk/Focal-S...ge/product_894

And look at this - Quad
http://www.audioaffair.co.uk/Quad-9L...r/product_3723
http://www.audioaffair.co.uk/Quad-11...r/product_4804

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Now, I would play with the Focal toys
http://www.audioaffair.co.uk/Focal-S...ge/product_894

And the satellite will go down to 75 hz

Those are super-engineered toys

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Those are super-engineered toys

Fun toys!

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Swan M200MkII $299 with free pair of Swan H2 micro satellite speakers or or $279 without the H2's.
http://www.theaudioinsider.com/produ...products_id=80

or

Swan M200MkIII $399
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