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The correct direction is determined by listening to every batch of metal conductors used in every AudioQuest audio cable.

For someone to even remotely believe this...I just don't know...wow.

Let's says that unlike every other wire manufacturer, Audioquest has figured out how to make wire that is sensitive to the direction that current is flowing. They seem to think this is a technical advance. Anybody who understands basic electronics knows that a conductor that is sensitive to the direction that current is flowing is old news - one example of such a thing is called "A diode". Any piece of wire that acts like a diode is worse than useless for transmitting high quality audio. It's a distortion generator!

So, if you believe their marketing blurb, you believe that Audioquest cables are sonic poison for any quality audio system. I say, let them keep up the good work! Get the news out! ;-)
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Oh boy, here we go, firing up the popcorn.
Anyone for a double blind test that proves you can't even hear jitter?

Mission impossible. I' ve done all kinds of DBTs that prove that jitter if strong enough is readily audible. I think that I've even posted samples here for people to listen to jitter for themselves. If its audible, DBTs will confirm it!
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Ever hear of reclocking?

A good example of this is the optical disc player. The waveform that comes off of the optical read head is a mess. There are amplitude variations, time variations, and various other noises. Every qualified tech that has probed what is often called TP1 in an optical disc player knows what it looks like. The wave looks worse than the one that is delivered by any piece of HDMI cable. The waveform is cleaned up, turned into a digital data stream that is clocked into a buffer as it arrives, and clocked out under the control of a low-jitter clock. Voila - the jitter is vastly reduced, for all practical purposes it is gone.


Reduced is the key word there. If you can't hear it, that's perfectly fine. These aren't the droids you're looking for. But I can certainly hear differences between different coax RCA digital cables. I'll be testing HDMI tonight. Stay tuned if you're interested.

I'll bet money that you are going to do a sighted evaluation based on cable swapping. Unless i scare you out of it, you will show up bright and early tomorrow morning reporting audible differences. That's easy to predict. That's the basic nature of sighted evaluation - they produce the results that fulfill your desires, either conscious or unconscious.
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I'll bet money that you are going to do a sighted evaluation based on cable swapping. Unless i scare you out of it, you will show up bright and early tomorrow morning reporting audible differences. That's easy to predict. That's the basic nature of sighted evaluation - they produce the results that fulfill your desires, either conscious or unconscious.

I have no desires. This is a competitor's cable. I've been listening via my Monoprice Redmere for a few months now. I'm very familiar with my system's sound. I'll listen tonight for an hour, or so with the Monoprice and then I'll swap it out with Audioquest. Any differences will be noted here.
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Then you have nothing to worry about smile.gif ($1.99) http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024008&p_id=3872&seq=1&format=2

There's a first: you've posted accurate information.
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Mission impossible. I' ve done all kinds of DBTs that prove that jitter if strong enough is readily audible. I think that I've even posted samples here for people to listen to jitter for themselves. If its audible, DBTs will confirm it!
Just busting stones, I know it's been provable to be audible at high levels, but can a cable induce enough to be audible?
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I have no desires. This is a competitor's cable. I've been listening via my Monoprice Redmere for a few months now. I'm very familiar with my system's sound. I'll listen tonight for an hour, or so with the Monoprice and then I'll swap it out with Audioquest. Any differences will be noted here.

I missed where you're using a double-blind methodology to eliminate cognitive bias.
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I missed where you're using a double-blind methodology to eliminate cognitive bias.

DBT tests are just as biased and also could be misleading, depending on how tricky the technician is.
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DBT tests are just as biased and also could be misleading, depending on how tricky the technician is.
Please elaborate how a DBT is biased, or are you still not taking requests?
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I missed where you're using a double-blind methodology to eliminate cognitive bias.

DBT tests are just as biased and also could be misleading, depending on how tricky the technician is.

Please explain how a test that eliminates all known sources of bias such as a DBT is just as biased as a sighted evaluation.
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I'll bet money that you are going to do a sighted evaluation based on cable swapping. Unless i scare you out of it, you will show up bright and early tomorrow morning reporting audible differences. That's easy to predict. That's the basic nature of sighted evaluation - they produce the results that fulfill your desires, either conscious or unconscious.

I have no desires

If you have no desire to live, then you must be suicidal. That automatically disqualifies you as a reliable source of information since you are not sane.
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This is a competitor's cable.

If you recognize that you have a competitor then that constitutes what would be a source of desire to compete, no?

If you admit that you have a competitor then you desire to compete and that negates your claim to have no desire.

So which is it, are you not sane, or are you in denial about your desire to compete, or are you trying to pull the wool over our eyes?
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Simple. We have speaker A and speaker B to compare. 10 swaps total. Technician plugs in speaker A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, and finally A. All testees will fail this test by swap 4-5, or so and say "speaker B!" Why? Because stupid testing like this is just as biased psychologically as anything else.
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Simple. We have speaker A and speaker B to compare. 10 swaps total. Technician plugs in speaker A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, and finally A. All testees will fail this test by swap 4-5, or so and say "speaker B!" Why? Because stupid testing like this is just as biased psychologically as anything else.
Yeah, except that's not a double blind test, it's a single blind test.
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Simple. We have speaker A and speaker B to compare. 10 swaps total. Technician plugs in speaker A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, then A, and finally A. All testees will fail this test by swap 4-5, or so and say "speaker B!" Why? Because stupid testing like this is just as biased psychologically as anything else.

The above evaluation is completely different from how DBTs are performed.

Are you not well informed about DBTs?

Please do try to be relevant and also support your previous claims.
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Yeah, except that's not a double blind test, it's a single blind test.

The scenario works for both.
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If you have no desire to live, then you must be suicidal. That automatically disqualifies you as a reliable source of information since you are not sane.
If you recognize that you have a competitor then that constitutes what would be a source of desire to compete, no?

If you admit that you have a competitor then you desire to compete and that negates your claim to have no desire.

So which is it, are you not sane, or are you in denial about your desire to compete, or are you trying to pull the wool over our eyes?

Huh? I honestly don't even know if that's English...
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Yeah, except that's not a double blind test, it's a single blind test.

The scenario works for both.

I repeat the scenario you described is not how DBTs are done. If you wish to make up simple little stories about how DBTs are done, and then sit there and repeat them over and over again even though knowledgeable people try to correct your posts, well...
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I repeat the scenario you described is not how DBTs are done. If you wish to make up simple little stories about how DBTs are done, and then sit there and repeat them over and over again even though knowledgeable people try to correct your posts, well...

You sound bitter. This is supposed to be a fun hobby.

Cables are interesting components. This is an extremely popular thread with 6K + views. It's surprising, considering that many here pretend to not believe in them at all.
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And by saying "we don't even know it all yet" is a clear admission that even the high end manufacturers don't know.
Keep in mind that every time he says 'we don't know' what he really means is that he doesn't know. wink.gif
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hence their products are not truthful in their marketing that promises jitter remediation
When the entire foundation of their business is based on lies what's the harm in adding one more to the list? rolleyes.gif
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I repeat the scenario you described is not how DBTs are done
Maybe he thinks he can't do a DBT because he doesn't have two sightless friends? smile.gif
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Settle down, guys. Don't take things so personally.
People will believe what they want to.

Just keep the personal remarks aside.

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I repeat the scenario you described is not how DBTs are done. If you wish to make up simple little stories about how DBTs are done, and then sit there and repeat them over and over again even though knowledgeable people try to correct your posts, well...

You sound bitter. This is supposed to be a fun hobby.

Most would agree that people are supposed to play fair , and a lack of honesty and sincerity can have that result.

It's a fun hobby when people play fair and do their part to keep up their side of the conversation. Just telling made up stories as if they are the only truth is not very good for the personal credibility.
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The scenario works for both.

You don't know what a double-blind test is. That is fantastic.
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Time to test the Audioquest 2m Cinnamon silver plated high purity copper HDMI versus the Monoprice 2m Redmere networked cable, tinned copper. I'll be back in a few hours...
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Time to test the Audioquest 2m Cinnamon silver plated high purity copper HDMI versus the Monoprice 2m Redmere networked cable, tinned copper. I'll be back in a few hours...
Awesome, we'll miss you smile.gif
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Time to test the Audioquest 2m Cinnamon silver plated high purity copper HDMI versus the Monoprice 2m Redmere networked cable, tinned copper. I'll be back in a few hours...

If its not a true DBT, its not much of a test. you could just save your time and web bandwidth...
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Settle down, guys. Don't take things so personally.
People will believe what they want to.

Just keep the personal remarks aside.

To mangle a common phrase, people are entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts. One poster polluting multiple threads with the same claims that he refuses to back up when challenged is making AVS a little tedious.
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To mangle a common phrase, people are entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts. One poster polluting multiple threads with the same claims that he refuses to back up when challenged is making AVS a little tedious.

There's a little function called "block member" that you might want to get familiar with. Works wonders.
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AudioQuest's main guy in an article defending/justifying HDMI cable claims: http://www.cepro.com/article/audioquest_defends_marketing_of_hdmi_cable/

He seems to take a lot of real estate to essentially say nothing....

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You are incorrect good sir. Jitter is a major problem and the performance can take a hit. Digital is not just weather the receiving end gets all of the 1s and 0s. This is what engineers usually tell non engineers, so that they don't have to go into detail. There's too much to explain and we don't even know it all yet, but here's the gist of it in simple terms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jitter

Not surprisingly, that link mentions nothing that can be addressed by a cable, other than excluding interference.

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Not surprisingly, that link mentions nothing that can be addressed by a cable, other than excluding interference.

Then you have nothing to worry about smile.gif ($1.99) http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=102&cp_id=10240&cs_id=1024008&p_id=3872&seq=1&format=2

I don't follow. What's wrong with that cable (other than the useless "Ferrite Cores")? confused.gif
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