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I'm tossed up between either a packaged onkyo 7.2 speaker set, or the Monitor 60's or 70's for front's.

I've read the 70's require more power and there aren't huge gains from the 60's, is that true? I know the 70's have mini sub's and can get lower bass.

Would this receiver have any problems running the 70's?
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Someone in a NewEgg review said that this receiver would have a hard time running Monitor 70's. Can anyone confirm if that's true?
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Hello im in the the same boat, I wanna buy either the 70's or the 60'sthe or preferably both but after reading don't think that's gonna work out for my receiver. I have a Yamaha rx-v867 and read the. 70's had a nice range that would produce bass, not so much out of the 60's. I understand that for your lows that's what your sub is for which I was interested in the polk psw505. Im just starting out with putting something together and budget is an issue. Im looking for the best setup for what I can afford with my receiver... thank you!! looking forward to everyones help...
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I run the 70s with a 65wpc Harmon kardon receiver and they sound great. True you may not get a ton more out of the 70s vs the 60s with this little of power but with the price difference being so small, why not? If you got to an external amp in the future, they will sound that much better.

Your receiver should have a bit more power than mine as well!
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I know the 70's have mini sub's and can get lower bass.

That's more marketing rhetoric than accurate. The 70s do get lower--but only 8hz lower according to Polk's specs. And those "mini-subs" are just 6.5" drivers. Realistically, either the 60s or 70s could use a good subwoofer if your goal is home theater. Moreover, a subwoofer has it's own amp built in, so when you run your fronts crossed at 60hz or 80hz and let the sub do it's job, it takes some of the stress off the receiver.

Consequently, I'd recommend considering the 60s and pairing them with the 12" PSW505 which is on deep discount at $169.

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Go with the 60s, you can get them for $200/pair all the time on Newegg. A matter of fact, the Cherry 60s are on sale for $100 each on Newegg (free shipping like always).
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Go with the 70's or get both. You never know what you miss by just getting the 60's.

my 75 watt per channel denon makes my 70's absolutly sing in 2 channel full range (no sub) mode with music. Would it sound better with more power? I don't know nor care because as it stands now the sound is great and upgrading my power is far fom the top to my list. Oh yeah, movies at 0db is great too with my 70's up front and 60's in back and 30's up high and cs2 in the center and dual 505's for the lows. No distortion or clipping just good clean sound.

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Go with the 60s, you can get them for $200/pair all the time on Newegg. A matter of fact, the Cherry 60s are on sale for $100 each on Newegg (free shipping like always).

I have been keeping an eye online waiting for another sale. The 60'sthe aren't on sale right now for the black ones. As for power to run the 70's I think they would be fine with my receiver at 95 wpc. My current front speakers are a mint set of cerwin vega se 380'stell which have 2 6.5" mids 1 tweeter and a 15" sub which is rated at 405 watts ea. My previous receiver was a technics which was 125wpc and there was a difference it did hit harder than my Yamaha but the Yamaha hands down sounds so clear and superior and it stays clean up high. Both receivers are way under powered for my speakers so I would think that the 70's or 60's should be ok. Sure more power you would get alot more out of them. I did order a psw505 this morning now just have to wait for the monitors to go on sale, also a center channel...
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In a recent sale at newegg i got the 70's, 40's, CS2 and a Klipsch rw12d. Here are my two cents.
The 70s are great if you are planning to listen to a lot of stereo. The additional two drivers add to the quality there. But when paired with a sub, i think they add to the footprint and marginally to the sound. You could do with the 60's if you are getting a sub.
You could move the $ difference between 70s and 60s towards the sub.

I have a Pioneer 1021K reciever and it is able to drive the 70s at 90W.
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I am also looking at the 60's and 70's for 2 channel stereo mostly music, TV and movie sound secondary.
For natural sounding acoustic music (jazz & classical) would I be better off with a sub and 2-60's or a pair of 60 or 70's alone?
I'll be powering them with a Denon AVR-590 (75 wattsX5)

I'd also like someone to explain what's behind the many comments I've read on this and other forums comparing the 60 & 70 that the 70's won't reach their full potential unless they have a lot more power than the 60's?
They are both rated at 90 db efficiency.

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All you need is enough power to achieve the desired listening level without clipping. Assuming you are already suppling decent clean power within the speakers handling capabilities then any additional power is not needed and money was wasted. If you experince distortion and clipping at the desired loudness level then by all means more power is needed.

The talk about the 70's coming alive when an external amp is used is either placebo or there was clipping occuring and the additional headroom the amp provided solved the issue. The 60's and 70's are both equally efficient so if one needs or does not need an amp for one model then they would also need it for the other. Either speaker coupled to a 50-100 or so watt per channel avr would do fine in all but the largest rooms or if the user desires insane volume levels all the time.
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I am also looking at the 60's and 70's for 2 channel stereo mostly music, TV and movie sound secondary.
For natural sounding acoustic music (jazz & classical) would I be better off with a sub and 2-60's or a pair of 60 or 70's alone?
I'll be powering them with a Denon AVR-590 (75 wattsX5)

Part of the question depends on how much money you put into the sub. The 60s and 70s are rated down to 38hz and 30hz, and most classical/jazz will not extend down lower than 40hz. So unless you set the sub crossover at 60 or 80hz on your receiver and it improves on the bass that the towers would produce at those lower frequencies, you may not gain much benefit. HT is different; there is much more low frequency content in the 20hz to 40hz range in movies that a sub can produce over the towers.

I think the better consideration would be whether or not the 70s produce better sound quality above 40hz, and whether or not the difference (if any) is worth the money.

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OK, I'm not too concerned with shaking the foundation with the extreme low end in movies...explosions etc and would prefer not to go the sub route.
I've read mixed reviews about the sound quality of the 60's vs the 70's. Some say the 70's are a little muddy others not.
So far I haven't found a local store where I can go to listen to these.
Any recomendations?
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As far as $$$ are concerned Newegg has 60's for 100 each and 70's for 150 each.
Either is doable.
the question is which would have the more natural/open sound.
For what it's worth the best sound I ever heard from speakers was in a recording studio that had electrostatic monitors. Unfortunately they are out of my price range.
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One more option
Polk has a pair of RTI8's on their ebay site for 399/pair.
sounds like a good deal, but would they fit the 2 channel stereo no sub, natural transparent sound for music?
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I am also looking at the 60's and 70's for 2 channel stereo mostly music, TV and movie sound secondary.
For natural sounding acoustic music (jazz & classical) would I be better off with a sub and 2-60's or a pair of 60 or 70's alone?
I'll be powering them with a Denon AVR-590 (75 wattsX5)

I'd also like someone to explain what's behind the many comments I've read on this and other forums comparing the 60 & 70 that the 70's won't reach their full potential unless they have a lot more power than the 60's?
They are both rated at 90 db efficiency.

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They are 200W speakers, the most you'll be putting into them with your receiver is probably around 60W max fully cranked. You would have to push quite a bit more wattage into them for them to 'open up' and start sounding really good, but the 60's having smaller drivers and lower power handling wouldn't need too much of that extra wattage to open up.

Hope that makes sense.
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They are 200W speakers, the most you'll be putting into them with your receiver is probably around 60W max fully cranked. You would have to push quite a bit more wattage into them for them to 'open up' and start sounding really good, but the 60's having smaller drivers and lower power handling wouldn't need too much of that extra wattage to open up.

Which speakers are you referring to as 200w speakers? The specs for the three speakers don't seem that much different to me (see below).
They are all rated at 90db efficiency and the recomended amps don't look that drasstically different compared with what my Denon will produce.

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Polk's specs for the 60's
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 - 200 w/channel
Efficiency 90 dB

for the 70's
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 - 275 w/channel
Efficiency 90 dB

for the RTI8
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20-250 w/channel
Efficiency 90 dB
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Also, see this earlier post about power requirements

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All you need is enough power to achieve the desired listening level without clipping. Assuming you are already suppling decent clean power within the speakers handling capabilities then any additional power is not needed and money was wasted. If you experince distortion and clipping at the desired loudness level then by all means more power is needed.

The talk about the 70's coming alive when an external amp is used is either placebo or there was clipping occuring and the additional headroom the amp provided solved the issue. The 60's and 70's are both equally efficient so if one needs or does not need an amp for one model then they would also need it for the other. Either speaker coupled to a 50-100 or so watt per channel avr would do fine in all but the largest rooms or if the user desires insane volume levels all the time.

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I have the Monitor70's, along with the CS2, as the front 3 on a secondary HT setup. I am extremely pleased with the results, and in stereo mode the 70's are very nice, full, and dynamic speakers. They are easy to drive to unpleasent levels with a modest AVR, so 95wps will be more than adequate. The 275 wpc rating is an upper limit for continuous RMS output from an amplifier - you rarely use anywhere near that for normal, non-earbleed levels.

I have used the Monitor50's and now have the Monitor70's - a huge increase in overall sound quality and dynamics. You would have to spend many dollars more to get a really noticable increase in overall sound quality.

Get the Monitor70's you will be glad you did, expecially for the music you like to listen to.

good luck, and the Newegg sale will end soon, so don't "study the issue" too long.
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i went to Best Buy today and listened to TSI300 & 400 powered by a Denon AVR-391which I have read are very similar to the Monitor 50 & 60. I was very undewhelmed by what I heard. The 400's I found to be rather dull on top, the upper midrange was too strong. The best thing I can say is that the low end was full withouth being boomy.
I compared these with a pair of Klipsh KH28 which had more presence and had a much more life-like sound.
If indeed these TSI's are close to the Monitors, I'll have to keep looking/listening.
As soon as I got home I played the CD's I brought with me to the audition on my existing setup (Denon AVR-590 with 2-JBL L26 Decades-from 3+ decades ago) and realized that I've got it pretty good.
I wish I could try the RTI8's but I haven't found a dealer that has them or the RTI A5's.After reading many posts that the RTI's are brighter, perhaps they may be more to my liking.
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I have the 70's and a CS2 as well, when I upgraded to the 70's from Polk 150's the difference was very noticeable. One warning, the depth (the physical measurement of distance, not the tonal quality) on the 70's is more then I expected. Here is my short review of the 70's.


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i went to Best Buy today and listened to TSI300 & 400 powered by a Denon AVR-391which I have read are very similar to the Monitor 50 & 60. I was very undewhelmed by what I heard. The 400's I found to be rather dull on top, the upper midrange was too strong. The best thing I can say is that the low end was full withouth being boomy.
I compared these with a pair of Klipsh KH28 which had more presence and had a much more life-like sound.
If indeed these TSI's are close to the Monitors, I'll have to keep looking/listening.
As soon as I got home I played the CD's I brought with me to the audition on my existing setup (Denon AVR-590 with 2-JBL L26 Decades-from 3+ decades ago) and realized that I've got it pretty good.
I wish I could try the RTI8's but I haven't found a dealer that has them or the RTI A5's.After reading many posts that the RTI's are brighter, perhaps they may be more to my liking.

I'm sorry to hear you didn't likethe tsi's (yes they are virtually identical to the monitors). Best buy isn't really an ideal place to demo, and if the denon wasn't set up properly that would add to the negative experience. Frys carries the rti line if you have one near you check them out, but demo experince will be similar to bb.

I recently demo'd the rti8's and 12's at my local frys and while I as waiting for them to be set up I played around with a set of tsi500's powered by a low end onkyo. The sound in store was weak and thin, nothing even close to my well set up and callibrated 70's at home. Even the rti's sounded thin in the demo area.

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As far as $$$ are concerned Newegg has 60's for 100 each and 70's for 150 each.

Either is doable.

the question is which would have the more natural/open sound.

For what it's worth the best sound I ever heard from speakers was in a recording studio that had electrostatic monitors. Unfortunately they are out of my price range.

This is the exact price over at Newegg right now.
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I liked the Monitor 70's in my 12/28/11 posting and still like them today. Super speakers for the modest money spent ! smile.gif
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im torn right now as to what i should do.  id like to pull the trigger and order either the monitor 70's or 60's but not sure which one to go for.  i already have a bic f-12 sub in my set up.  ive heard the monitor 60's and love them.  i would think the 70's would sound better, no?  worth the extra $100?  my receiver puts out 100wpc and i may be upgrading to a slightly larger one so i dont think power is an issue for me either way.  only thing i see is that if i go with the monitor 70's ill have to upgrade my center channel from the cs1 to the cs2 to match the drivers.  not a big deal if its going to sound better overall.

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I would go with the 60s, the extra extension of the 70s is not all that meaningful seeing as you already have a sub.

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so theres really no difference in sound between the 5.25" drivers and the 6.5" drivers?

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The bigger drivers will have a higher output, so the 70s will play louder given the same power, but if cost is an issue I wouldn't worry about getting the 60s.

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cost isnt an issue,  curious if the extra $100 is a noticeable difference.  i have no issue spending it if thats the case.

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