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I came across the following:
- DM602S3 pair
- DM601S3 pair
- LCR60S3
- ASW608
All for $550, not sure of the year or quality, but will inspect.

Is this a good deal? My receiver just threw some sparks out so I decided to upgrade my current Onkyo theater in a box I got back in 1999.

What receiver would go well with these. We mostly use these for casual tv watching in a big living room (25x30 ft with 18ft ceiling), with open kitchen next to it. We watch a movie once a week too. Nothing fancy, just from appletv. My onkyo speakers had an issue with center speaker not sounding loud enough. Ever since I added a Yamaha center speaker, and also plugged the heat vent plug into the back of receiver, past certain volume, my set would turn off. Last night it threw sparks when we were trying to enjoy the New Year music louder than normally. This never happened when I had the old setup (Onkyo center and no vents plugged in the back of receiver).

I also would like to put all HDMI cables into receiver and only one to TV. Currently, the 50in plasma has 2 HDMI plugs and I have to run DVD player with rgb cables to it since appletv and dish network take both HDMI plugs in tv.

I need help. My budget would be several hundred $ for receivers if the speakers are a good deal. I did some research, and these are pretty old model, so not sure of the wear on them. How would I know?
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If the condition is good and without any defects, this is a great deal.
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If the condition is good and without any defects, this is a great deal.

Thanks. I did some more reading in last hour. These were made in 2002, so 10 years old now.

What receiver/amp to pair with. After reading, I think my budget may go up for this.
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If they still are in great working order, go for it. Personally I like my dads older 603 S2s more then the current 684s.

Get a good receiver, id suggest www.accessories4less.com and look at the Marantz 5004, Denon 3311, and Onkyo 708, 808

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Thanks. I did some more reading in last hour. These were made in 2002, so 10 years old now.

What receiver/amp to pair with. After reading, I think my budget may go up for this.

Get more power than you think and a quality receiver. B&W are power hungry and can hit high impedance loads during playback. E.g any Onkyo, Marantz or Denon with pre-out fed to an Emotiva 3channel amo will do the trick
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The Denon AVR-1612 was rated VERY highly by Home Theatre magazine, and they are VERY thorough in their reviews and testing. Amazon has it for $300 now. They found it would drive 5 channels to 80 watts simultaneously with 1% distortion, which is better than most receivers in this price range. It looks like the best value for less than $450 or so.

Check out their review and you will get some good info on it.

A lot of so-called 100 watt per channel receivers won't even give 60 watts per channel with 5 channels driven and 1% distortion. Manufacturers specs are as misleading as they can make them.

I doubt if you are giving up much by using RGB instead of HDMI, but maybe you could try putting Dish on RGB and the player on HDMI and see if that is better for you.

If you can, I would test each speaker listening to them one at a time and listen carefully for any scartchy voice coils or other major defects that will need fixing.




What receiver would go well with these. We mostly use these for casual tv watching in a big living room (25x30 ft with 18ft ceiling), with open kitchen next to it. We watch a movie once a week too. Nothing fancy, just from appletv. My onkyo speakers had an issue with center speaker not sounding loud enough. Ever since I added a Yamaha center speaker, and also plugged the heat vent plug into the back of receiver, past certain volume, my set would turn off. Last night it threw sparks when we were trying to enjoy the New Year music louder than normally. This never happened when I had the old setup (Onkyo center and no vents plugged in the back of receiver).

I also would like to put all HDMI cables into receiver and only one to TV. Currently, the 50in plasma has 2 HDMI plugs and I have to run DVD player with rgb cables to it since appletv and dish network take both HDMI plugs in tv.

I need help. My budget would be several hundred $ for receivers if the speakers are a good deal. I did some research, and these are pretty old model, so not sure of the wear on them. How would I know?[/quote]
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The Denon AVR-1612 was rated VERY highly by Home Theatre magazine, and they are VERY thorough in their reviews and testing. Amazon has it for $300 now. They found it would drive 5 channels to 80 watts simultaneously with 1% distortion, which is better than most receivers in this price range. It looks like the best value for less than $450 or so.

Check out their review and you will get some good info on it.

A lot of so-called 100 watt per channel receivers won't even give 60 watts per channel with 5 channels driven and 1% distortion. Manufacturers specs are as misleading as they can make them.

I doubt if you are giving up much by using RGB instead of HDMI, but maybe you could try putting Dish on RGB and the player on HDMI and see if that is better for you.

If you can, I would test each speaker listening to them one at a time and listen carefully for any scartchy voice coils or other major defects that will need fixing.

Thanks for everyone's help. I may be getting this set of speakers and will build the home theater around it. Appreciate all suggestions.
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Thanks. I did some more reading in last hour. These were made in 2002, so 10 years old now.

What receiver/amp to pair with. After reading, I think my budget may go up for this.

I have B&W 601s and the B&W CC6 center with LMs for rears. Love it for HT and music. Based on speakers I have heard, I would need to spend $700 to $1000 on new speakers to replace the front L/R with something I would find significantly better. For $500 for that whole set, jump on it before it disappears. 601s normally go for between $200 to $300 on ebay, and 602s a little higher. It would still be a very good deal even if you had to replace a driver or tweeter in one of the speakers.

Meanwhile, I haven't had any problems with my Denon AVR-888 reaching enough volume. I never turn it up past -15db. That set would be a little heavier load, but I think you'd be very happy getting a receiver and that speaker set for $800-$900. It's going to sound great.

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I have B&W 601s and the B&W CC6 center with LMs for rears. Love it for HT and music. Based on speakers I have heard, I would need to spend $700 to $1000 on new speakers to replace the front L/R with something I would find significantly better. For $500 for that whole set, jump on it before it disappears. 601s normally go for between $200 to $300 on ebay, and 602s a little higher. It would still be a very good deal even if you had to replace a driver or tweeter in one of the speakers.

Meanwhile, I haven't had any problems with my Denon AVR-888 reaching enough volume. I never turn it up past -15db. That set would be a little heavier load, but I think you'd be very happy getting a receiver and that speaker set for $800-$900. It's going to sound great.

Thanks! So no need for an amp/preamp then? Just a new receiver?
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Thanks! So no need for an amp/preamp then? Just a new receiver?

Any good receiver will do just fine. If you can, get one with pre-out to allow the upgrade option for later..just in case the bug hits you.
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Thanks! So no need for an amp/preamp then? Just a new receiver?

Just a receiver

Good place to look for bargains is accessories4less. They sell factory refurbished/factory warrantied Onkyo, Denon, and Marantz. Or subscribe to Newegg's mailing list where they offer specials on receivers, sometimes multiple times a week. For instance, they currently have the Pioneer VSX-1021-K for $299 (promo code EMCYTZT1007).

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It is a very good deal. 602S3 are excellent speakers. I had them for 10 years and replaced them couple of days ago with CM9s. They are relatively easy to drive. I would get a receiver from Denon or Marantz because these brands typically don't exaggerate their power ratings. 601S3 is bass shy but your ASW608 subwoofer will take care of that. 601S3 would do fine in surround duty. LCR60S3 is a better of the 2 centers that B&W offered. Good luck with them. You will be amazede how much better they sound versus your HTIB.
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Is Pioneer VSX-818V a good receiver to go with these?
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Is Pioneer VSX-818V a good receiver to go with these?

in all honesty, NO.

Please look at www.accessories4less.com, they have much better products there for the same or slightly more $$. The units all come with warranties also.

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Is Pioneer VSX-818V a good receiver to go with these?

If your needs (and expectations) are modest, it might work. But I would say there are better choices at budget prices. There's a review of the 918 here
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Look at the Denon 1612 commsysman recommended. It's a solid performer, and it is available from accessories4less.com, too.

Some others you might consider:

Yamaha RX-V667

Onkyo TX-NR609

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Thanks. I am looking now at Marantz SR6006. Is it worth $1100 dealer is asking? It will let me upgrade speakers in 5 or so years and no need for a receiver?

Fair deal? It would be a brand new receiver with 3yr warranty.
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That's a ton of money to spend on a receiver relative to your entire budget. And I don't get why that receiver would allow you to "upgrade speakers in 5 or so years and no need for a receiver." A good mid-range receiver at around half that would also be worth keeping, too.

If you want to spend that kind of money, I'd get a mid-range receiver, and then sell the ASW608 once you get the speaker set. Buy a better 12" home theater sub, such as an HSU VTF-3 MK4, Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX, or a SVS PB12-NSD. You'd notice a bigger difference than keeping that sub and buying an $1100 receiver.

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Thanks, that's why I came to this forum...
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Thanks, that's why I came to this forum...

Suggestion: set yourself a reasonable budget for the receiver (not one influenced by a salesman . Pick a few you like after looking online, and then research and ask questions in the AVS AMPs, Receivers, and Processors forum. There's typically a thread for most receiver model lines, and you can find out all kinds of information there. That's where I would go on AVS for information and advice if I was buying a new receiver.

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