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more new development! The tv you see in the picture is going back to the store as i found the tv i really wanted for $400 less! So now we have some more money to play with towards the audio system. woohoo!

I was going to go with Energy RC-10s with a bic f12 sub, but i think i can take another look at the subs again.

I also want/need some stands for the rc-10s. Any recommendations on where to buy?

Also going to need cables i pressume?

Thanks again for the all help. I probably would've bought the bose system at costco if not for this site

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There's a big jump in sub performance and sound quality from the BIC F12 if you go to a 12" ID sub such as the Rythmik FV12, Epik Legend, Outlaw Audio LFM-1 Plus, or HSU VTF-2 MK4.

Or you could make a little jump to the BIC F12's big brother, the BIC PL-200, and put your budget toward getting the RC-LCR center to go with your speakers.

As for where to buy cables, I just posted this earlier in another thread:

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For budget cables that are solidly made and work well, Monoprice has good subwoofer cables, RCAs, and HDMI, and they carry speaker wire (14 gauge is plenty unless you are running it across the room a long ways).

If you want to buy more expensive cables, Blue Jeans Cable is a better deal than expensive Monster Cables.


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more new development! The tv you see in the picture is going back to the store as i found the tv i really wanted for $400 less! So now we have some more money to play with towards the audio system. woohoo!

I was going to go with Energy RC-10s with a bic f12 sub, but i think i can take another look at the subs again.

I also want/need some stands for the rc-10s. Any recommendations on where to buy?

Also going to need cables i pressume?

Thanks again for the all help. I probably would've bought the bose system at costco if not for this site

-GC

Amazon is a good place to look for speaker stands. Find a stand that will get the tweeter as close to ear level (while sitting) as you can. Take into account the speaker height and base width / depth in your search/calculations.

Cel provided good recommendations for the sub and cables/wire.

If it were me, I'd get a LCR and sub like the PL-200 or s10.3. They'd be a big step up from anything you've had before (I'm assuming) and while there are better subs out there, there always will be. I think it'd be more important to get the matching center while you can...especially at the good price it's currently at.
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cool, i'll start looking around for those and ordering the cables asap. I think vanns also has some stands for the rc-10s.

I like the idea of putting some of that money towards a matching center. Gotta recrunch the numbers and see how much exactly we'll be working with.

I found this sub on craiglist. Thoughts?

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/2785567365.html

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cool, i'll start looking around for those and ordering the cables asap. I think vanns also has some stands for the rc-10s.

I like the idea of putting some of that money towards a matching center. Gotta recrunch the numbers and see how much exactly we'll be working with.

I found this sub on craiglist. Thoughts?

http://sandiego.craigslist.org/csd/ele/2785567365.html

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I think that's a 10 year old sub model. Your best bet for getting feedback on that is the AVS subwoofer forum. Personally, I'd be hesitant putting much money into a sub that old. While full range speakers that are 10 years old can have many years more life in them, subs also have amplifiers; the electronics often don't have the same life span as the woofers.

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ah, didn't realize it was that old. hehe.

Cel, is the great pricing on the rc-10s because they are being discountinued? is the whole rc line done? Not that it may sway me, just trying to catch up on Energy as a product.

I've been able to up my budget to $600, but current what i want is a bit over there :\\

rc-10s = $299
rc-lcr= $279
bic -pl200= $328
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Energy vsw- = $349

total average = $925

At that price, i feel like i could be looking at one of these mini set ups: http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/co...-EnergyVeritas

Or the rc bundle. I just need an extra 1k. hehe. Maybe i can sell something.

I might just go with the r-10s and the bic f12 for now. Wish i had my tax return right about now.

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You can get the PL200 for a lot less than $328. You just need to call the vendor.

The RC bundle is $1599 so only $600+ over your RC-10, LCR, PL200 budget.
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...6/energy-vsw10

If you add another pair of RC-10's as surrounds to your current proposed system it goes up to $1225 and the difference is only $375.

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Cel, is the great pricing on the rc-10s because they are being discontinued? is the whole rc line done? Not that it may sway me, just trying to catch up on Energy as a product.

Energy has an exclusive deal with Vanns to sell the RC line. You wont find them new anywhere else.

If you need to build slowly RC-10s and RC LCR is a great start for $600.

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I found some better prices for you:

RC-10s - $240
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...05/energy-rc10

LCR - $240
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...8/energy-rclcr

Regarding the room you are putting this in. Is your new TV going on the wall above where that TV in your picture is? If so, it’ll be tough to fit any floor standing or bookshelf speakers in their proper positions and going with the wall mount V-minis might be a better choice for you. I realize you can wall mount RC-10s, but I personally think they are too bulky to mount that way and to do it properly, you'll be spending another $49 for a pair of the correct wall mounts.
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The open box LCR is now $269. I'd pay the extra $10 for a brand new one.

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Ouch! That was quick. That $240 was a good price! I'd pay a little extra for a new one as well.

EDIT - if you go to the site/clearance section, you can still get the LCR for $240. For some reason, when I post the link here, it pops up for $270. Weird.
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That is weird. First time i clicked it said 240, then 270, and now 240.

What do you think?

I can get them new at my budget of $600 and in two months get a proper sub. Can I do that?

Or is at the clearance price of $240 worth saving on? Ever bought used items before? i usually tend to spend the bit extra for new stuff.

As for the room, i was thinking of putting the rc-10s on stands both sides of the chimney and mounting the tv a bit higher to leave room for the center speaker. Were you specifically mentioning about the center speaker? I just assumed the l/r speakers could go anywhere on the sides of the tv? hehe.

Thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated.

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That is weird. First time i clicked it said 240, then 270, and now 240.

What do you think?

I can get them new at my budget of $600 and in two months get a proper sub. Can I do that?

Or is at the clearance price of $240 worth saving on? Ever bought used items before? i usually tend to spend the bit extra for new stuff.

As for the room, i was thinking of putting the rc-10s on stands both sides of the chimney and mounting the tv a bit higher to leave room for the center speaker. Were you specifically mentioning about the center speaker? I just assumed the l/r speakers could go anywhere on the sides of the tv? hehe.

Thanks for the help guys. Much appreciated.

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Vanns has a stellar reputation for customer service. Their description of those open box RC-10s is that they should be like new. I would jump on it before someone else does.

(and yes, I have a pair of open box speakers, some speakers I bought used, and a b-stock sub--great way to save some money

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Yes, Vann's is excellent to deal with. I have purchased both new and open box from them and have been extremely happy. You still get the full warranty with the open box and if they don't list that there is damage on them/it, they/it should be as good as new.

Is the fireplace behind the TV in that picture? If so, and that's where you want to put the RC-10s, they'll only be a few feet apart (maybe 4?). In that case, you might not need a center channel and just run 2.1. Having a left / center / right speaker that close together is overkill and not really necessary IMO.
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i have a photoshop file that I was using to do mock up paint colors for the walls and what the tv would look like mounted. I'll upload it to show what i was thinking of as far as where to put the speakers.

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But don't wait on the open box RC-10s if you want them at that price, even if you haven't decided to buy the RC-LCR yet. RC-10s are popular enough that they might disappear at any moment.

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looks a little funny, but here's a rough layout of what i was thinking. The scale is rough as i was going off the tile size to scale the pictures of the speakers. hehe.



What do you think? Do i need that center speaker?

Thanks,
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looks a little funny, but here's a rough layout of what i was thinking. The scale is rough as i was going off the tile size to scale the pictures of the speakers. hehe.



What do you think? Do i need that center speaker?

Thanks,
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Your question is subjective. "do I need that center?" I would say YES you need that center. The RC series is available now, but who knows for how long. It is a discontinued speaker series that has just become available by one or if lucky a few vendors. IMO buy now or look on the used market later, but you can always buy a sub when funds allow, not so true for the RC-LCR.

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ok, so i should pull the trigger now on an rc-lcr and when i get more funds, get a sub later? I can still have somewhat of a HT set up with the rc-10s and the rc-lcr?

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I say go for it. I'm not sure how much better or worse that set up will be with/without the LCR, but there is nothing wrong with getting them and trying it out for yourself.

Saints is correct, get the LCR while you can and upgrade with a sub later. Just realize that while these speakers have some great bass for their size, they certainly won't provide a "full" movie experience. You'll need a sub (and surrounds) for that. Also, make sure you break these speakers in before you draw your conclusions about them.

To break them in, play a top 40 radio station while you are sleeping or away from your house, at moderate volumes. I stopped hearing improvements in sound quality after about 40 hours, Energy recommends 100 hours .

Good luck with your purchase and be sure to report back with what you think.

Edit - only one pair of open box RC-10s left at $240 and no LCRs are left. You should really grab those RC-10s while you can!
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stayed up till 3am agonizing about this. Saints is right, it's subjective if i need the lcr or not. But i can't rely on my experience because i've never known what it's like to have anything like this. I've never purchased speakers aside from small affordable computer speakers. So i wonder, is having an lcr going to improve this new listening experience I'm about to embark on? I'm already all in with the RC-10s.

I was the one that got that last LCR on clearance along with a pair of RC-10s! But now i want to cancel the order because i'm unsure about the lcr.

Do i want such an awesome center? I've not yet configured how high my tv will be mounted. Maybe it's safer to go with a smaller one like a cc5 or v mini?

If i dont cancel, try it out and decide it's not for me, how much do they charge to return it you think?

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Now that you have committed to Energy speakers, ask your questions about them in the Energy Owners Thread where you'll get the benefit of a lot people who have used them. Personally, I would get the RC-LCR. I find my center channel particularly helpful in my HT system when my receiver is playing two channel audio for tv with Dolby Surround that simulates multiple channels, and I like it blu-ray. Makes the dialogue clearer. This comes with the caveat that my HT systems is not Energy (I use RC-10s in a 2 channel setup), and you would be best talking to those that have Energy speakers.

But no. The LCR would be better than the smaller centers.

When you get ready to buy your sub, consult the AVS subwoofer forum.

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thanks for the help Cel. Much appreciated!
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Hey guys,

Just a quick update. Here are some pics of my RC-10s/RC-LCR purchase from vanns. I got them on clearance for a great deal.







Although they were on clearance, they looked totally new and packaged like they were new!

I ended up buying a set of take 5 classics from craigslist for real cheap to get the 5.1 surround and use it's subwoofer for now along with my RC set up. I'm thinking i should've put that money towards a better sub.

I've mixed feelings about my purchases. I may be in over my head with my set up. I've never had an audio system before and the Pioneer 1021 has so my options and buttons that i have no idea how to set it up correctly to get the best out of my speakers. I am also feeling a bit underwhelmed by the surround sound set up with the take classics. I'm kinda thinking i didn't really need to go that route and should've just focused on the 2.1 set up :|

It also took me a while to set things up because i didn't have stands to put the speakers up(finally found some on craigslist) and also didn't realize about banana plugs after i had gotten my wires ordered. Speaking of, the RC's have both a high and low input in the speaker... Does that mean i need two wires for each speaker? Is there enough inputs in the receiver for that? i didn't think i saw that. Ugg. I guess i really should be reading the manuals for all this new cool stuff. I was geeking out though on being able to control the sound with my ipad via Pioneer's airplay app. that was prettty darn cool.

I did try music with my non manual reading default set up and was blown away by the RC's sound. Like hearing music for the first time how it should be heard. Pretty mind blowing. Now if i can just get the correct set up for my movies.

I'm debating if i should sell the take 5 set to get a decent sub or maybe return the RC-LCR as i'm having trouble fitting it in my current lay out, but the speaker looks so darn good.

Sorry for the long post. I'll post more pics of the family room in it's current set up.

Thanks,
George


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You have an awesome setup there! Yeah, the RC-10s are great, aren't they

First, you don't have to use banana plugs. Unscrew the bottom right and left terminals, and you'l see the little holes you can run the wires. Banana plugs are just for convenience. And you only need to connect one positive and negative to each RC-10. See those gold plates? They are connecting the tweeter terminals and main driver terminals. Leave them there. Having the separate sets is for biamping (which you won't be doing).

Next, the sub with the RC-Micro is only rated down to --3db of 36hz and is very small. So yeah. It'll help those surrounds a little but won'd to much for home theater. Eventually you'll want to get something a little better, but enjoy what you have for now

Once you get your speakers setup on stands and in place, make sure you use mcacc on your receiver. That will automatically configure some things, such as the channel level for each speaker.

If the RC-LCR is too big, some people do run the V-Mini, although the RC-LCR would be better.

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I'm glad those worked out for you, they look great! cel4145 covered your speaker wire/banana plug concerns. And yes, that sub that comes with the Takes isn't very good, but it should do for now. You might have still got a good deal, depending on what you paid for the Take Classic set. Since you already have the sub, I'd certainly use it for now and figure out your receiver.

Regarding that, there should be a dedicated 1021 owners thread in the Receiver/Amp section. You should go there, check out the first post in the thread, which is usually quite helpful and do some reading. If you can't get it figured out between your reading and your manual, ask the people there who should be able to help you get the most out of that receiver.

I recently purchased a used Pioneer 1020 off CraigsList (I think last year's model of the 1021) and it is my first Pioneer receiver. I also have a Denon, which was much easier to set up and get good sound from. However, with some research and playing around with the settings and MCAAC, I was able to get it to sound pretty good. I'm still learning and need to re-tweak some things as I think I can get more from it. But like cel4145 said, certainly run MCAAC first and go from there.
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