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Hello.

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I've finally have the opportunity to set up my first home theater system and am very excited. Ok, on to it.

I read a bunch so forgive me as i've seen many threads with similar questions, but i'm still in need of advice.

I just purchased the Pioneer's VSX-1012-K from newegg.com with the great promo coupon.

Now i need the speakers to go with it for our family room (about 16x16 and 12ft ceiling)

I want to get a set of Energy speakers and i'm one of many debating between the Energy Take 5 or the RC-Micro set. As we all know, the price is the same for the each set, but there's currently another promo at newegg to get the rc-micro speakers without the sub for $160.

So my question is, should i get the rc-micro speakers and search for a sub, or get the Take 5 or rc-micro with sub?

I'm leaning towards getting the set so i don't have to worry about finding a sub, but maybe the process won't be so bad after some guidance.

My budget is pretty firm at $430.

I've not seen energy speakers to listen to, i'm going off reviews here and cnet and i trust they wil be sufficient for my first experience.

So what do you think?

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that sub will not work well in a larger room, so getting a larger separate sub would sound better.

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Getting the Micros and a better sub is a good idea.

When you look for a sub, be sure to get one that extends in high end frequency range to at least 150hz (a little higher would be better), as 150hz is the low end of the RC Micros. Minimally, you'll need to set the crossover point on your receiver to 150hz.

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Thanks for the response! I'm learning more as i continue reading the threads.

Seems the sub many suggest is the Energy S-10.3, but some had mentioned that its frequency only went 21Hz-120Hz and that there'd be a 30 hz gap with micro speakers at 150? Does that sound right and is that cause for concern? i don't fully understand this issue if it is indeed one.

If it is not, then i can consider the rc-micro speakers + s-10.3 sub or another name that popped up a bit, the BIC America F12. Any input on how that sub would work with the micros?

The F12 is $188 and the s10 is $273 abouts.

I also finally figured out what rc-10s and cb-5s are. And i want them! eventually. hehe. Can i gradually incorporate these larger speakers to micro/take setup?

I was reading another post with a person in a similar situation and he went full out with some CF-30 - two (front L&R), CC-5 - one (C) CB-5 - two (surround) and an s-10.3 sub. Sounds like an amazing set up that i'd like to eventually build up to.

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The RC-10s do sound very good (I have a pair), they would be a big improvement over the Micros, and you could eventually replace the front three speakers in the Micro setup with RC-10s and an RC-LCR or V-Mini. In fact, if you are interested in the RC-10s, I would recommend considering starting with them as 2.1 with the BIC F12, and add the rest of the 5.1 setup later as you can afford it. Ask in the Energy Owners thread. I suspect many of the Energy owners would recommend the same thing.

And yes. The Energy S10.3 would be a bad choice because you would lose music and sound from music and movies that would be in that 120hz to 150hz range.

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Thx cel.

Starting with a 2.1 rc-10 option is tempting, but i really want to get the surround set up right off the bat and upgrade later in the future. I'm thinking i can move the take/rc-micro to my office set up once i upgrade the family room. Yeah, i think that's what i'll do

I'll start with either the take classic or rc micro, then slowly upgrade until i can push out the sat speakers completely to my office.

If i go by that logic, then i'm back to choosing between the take and rc set. I'll post some images soon of the family room where these would go if it helps.

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Thx cel.

Starting with a 2.1 rc-10 option is tempting, but i really want to get the surround set up right off the bat and upgrade later in the future. I'm thinking i can move the take/rc-micro to my office set up once i upgrade the family room. Yeah, i think that's what i'll do

I'll start with either the take classic or rc micro, then slowly upgrade until i can push out the sat speakers completely to my office.

If i go by that logic, then i'm back to choosing between the take and rc set. I'll post some images soon of the family room where these would go if it helps.

-GC

Cel recommended the rc 10s to me and they are amzing. Id say do the 2.1 route and slowly get to 5.1. Well worth it id say cause I wasted a lot of money going from htibs to the rc's.

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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thx for the info pokekevin.

what's htib?

Great pics btw of your setup.

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ahh, home theater in a box. hehe.
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What's a good site to compare the sizes of Energy speakers?

I want to compare now the rc-10s with the cb-5s/10s and the cf-30s.

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Here's a picture from the Energy owners thread comparing the sizes of the RC-10, V-Mini, and the Micro. If you want more pictures, you can probably find some in that owners thread somewhere. As for the physical size dimensions, Energy will have them listed on their website in the specs. Vanns.com will, too.

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With your budget, I would look for a used sub and surrounds (or maybe even mains). Where are you located? We could take a look at your local CraigsList and see if there is any deals available to you.

If you're patient, you can find some really good speakers for cheap. Example - I found a pair of CB-5s for $70, a pair of CB-10s for $100 and a used Outlaw LFM-2 sub for $75.

I agree with what some others have said though (start at 2.1 and build from there) if you decide to exclusively buy new.
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Thanks for the info guys. Those RC-10s are growing on me, they look mighty nice. I'm in San Diego, CA. Thanks for the help. I'd love get a deal like you did jjl4004!
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Thanks for the info guys. Those RC-10s are growing on me, they look mighty nice. I'm in San Diego, CA. Thanks for the help. I'd love get a deal like you did jjl4004!

You won't regret the 10s! Yay for another socal folk

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new development. I currently don't have enough funds to make holes in the walls of my new home to conceal wires if and when i go the surround sound. What are some alternatives? pedistals?

If i buy the rc-10s, should i hang these things on the walls? or they big enough to leave on the floor? or do they need stands as well?

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Speaker stands are what I use most have a built in wire concealing set up. As for running along the floor my room is carpeted so I just used a butter knife to shove the wire inbetween the carpet and the wall but I have seen people use wire concealers set-ups which is what I would do if I had a hard wood
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silly noob question. Would a 2.1 system include a center speaker? or it's just a pair of l/r speakers and the sub?

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silly noob question. Would a 2.1 system include a center speaker? or it's just a pair of l/r speakers and the sub?

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Correct . Lr and sub

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thx! more silly questions...

Why do they call them bookshelf speakers? and what's 2-way/3-way mean?

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thx! more silly questions...

Why do they call them bookshelf speakers? and what's 2-way/3-way mean?

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Because they can be put on a bookshelf, as opposed to towers which are floorstanders.

2-way/3-way indicates how many drivers + tweeter are in a speaker. So the sound in a speaker that is 2-way has the sound being split to a tweeter and a main driver.

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thx for the info Cel.

Ack, that energy owners thread is dangerous. hehe. Lots of good info though, but there's no way i could buy those rc-micros or take 5's anymore. Now i can't decide between:

rc-10s
cb-20s
cb-10s
cf-30s

How does one choose?

Also, after taking into account what i might take to get 5.1 surround in the family room, i may have to wait on that for a good while. So a nice 2.1 set up is what i need to get now.

So now i need to figure out if there's anything on the other Energy speakers that would topple the rc-10s choice? another thread mentioned cb-20s were better for Movies?

And 2nd, figure out which sub to match with my final decision.

Do you recommend a center speaker right off the bat? that may bust my budget for right now :\\

Ok, back to reading that crazy energy owners thread.

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I guess there's a v-mini line as well. ugg. choices. hehe.

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so tired. Going to sleep, but one more question. I presume that the v-minis are of higher quality than take 5 classics?

Thanks all. See you when the sun is up.

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V minis are much better than Classics. But they cost at least $258/pr you can get the RC-10 for not much more than that.

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I just looked through the San Diego Craigslist and there isn't much out there that I would recommend to you, looking at the Energy speakers that are available.

It sounds like you're set on a 2.1 setup to start with and then build from there. Does your $430 budget include speaker stands if you get bookshelf speakers?

At the current prices, the RC-10 provides more value than the CB/CF options you listed. However, if you are patient, the CB/CF speakers can often be had for considerably less than what they are selling for now. If you go the RC route and plan to eventually build a 5.1 setup, you should plan on picking up a RC-LCR center channel sometime in the near future, as it is not clear how long they will be available, especially at their current prices.
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hmm. good point afrogt.

Thanks for looking jjl4004.

I had read in that thread that it's pointless to watch movies in 2.1? I guess i'll have to make due until i get to 5.1 :\\

There was some good reviews on rc10 vs cb20 in there as well. I guess what i should now as i need the speakers yesterday is to go ahead with a pair of rc-10s and just see where the chips fall from there.

I need a subwoofer to go with the rc10s. Is the energy s10.3 a good choice now to go with these speakers?

I was looking at some of the members' home theater set ups and i think i can do surround sound with speaker stands.

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hmm. good point afrogt.

Thanks for looking jjl4004.

I had read in that thread that it's pointless to watch movies in 2.1? I guess i'll have to make due until i get to 5.1 :\\

There was some good reviews on rc10 vs cb20 in there as well. I guess what i should now as i need the speakers yesterday is to go ahead with a pair of rc-10s and just see where the chips fall from there.

I need a subwoofer to go with the rc10s. Is the energy s10.3 a good choice now to go with these speakers?

I was looking at some of the members' home theater set ups and i think i can do surround sound with speaker stands.

-GC

How are you going to set up your RC-10s up front? Speaker stands?

I've read the s10.3 is a good sub, but it's currently on sale for $275 and doesn't that, paired with the RC-10s break your $430 budget?
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I had read in that thread that it's pointless to watch movies in 2.1? I guess i'll have to make due until i get to 5.1 :\\

That advice doesn't make any sense at all. If that were true, then it would be pointless watching a TV that was not hooked up to a stereo or home theater system, since a TV is only 2.0. While you won't get the benefits of surround, you'll get much richer (and louder) sound out of the RC-10s over built-in TV speakers, and you get the benefit of sub's low frequency output regardless of whether it's in a 2.1, 3.1, 5.1, or 7.1 setup.

As for a sub, there is no benefit whatsoever in buying a sub from the same manufacturer. You should find the one that best suits your needs (see this post). You might look at this thread in the AVS subwoofer forum where people are discussing subs for around $250, and read around even more in that forum for ideas and ask questions there.

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That advice doesn't make any sense at all. If that were true, then it would be pointless watching a TV that was not hooked up to a stereo or home theater system, since a TV is only 2.0. While you won't get the benefits of surround, you'll get much richer (and louder) sound out of the RC-10s over built-in TV speakers, and you get the benefit of sub's low frequency output regardless of whether it's in a 2.1, 3.1, 5.1, or 7.1 setup.

+1. I was acutally surprised when I listened to movies in 2.1 while I was first comparing the RC-10 to the CB-10. While it isn't as good as a proper 5.1 setup, it is leaps and bounds better than anything TV speakers can produce.
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thx for the replies guys. I'm going to try to up my budget to cover updated costs to get the rc-10s with a solid enough sub. $299 + 275= $575 :\\

Might have to look at other sub options. hehe. I'll check out those links now from cel.

I feel like i could hang the rc-10s on the front wall as we will be making holes to hang the new tv above the fire place. I could go with the stands as well though.

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