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Newbie here looking for some advice. I have a new house with an open floor plan with Kitchen/dining (30L x 22'w) which leads into the media area (20'L x 18'w) where I'm looking to focus. Searching for a 5.1 speaker+receiver setup for under $3K with a 70/30 split between HT and audio. I have a 55" Sony LED TV slim mounted to the wall with pre-wire for in-ceiling rear surrounds (due to windows and staircase on each respective side) and LCR+sub in the front. Based upon my research, I've been out listening to some floor speakers such as Paradigm Monitor 7s, Monitor Audio Bx5 and B&W 684, all of which sound excellent though I prefer the MA's best. I would assume to purchase a matching 12" sub and surrounds from the same manufacturer. From a receiver standpoint, I have checked out Marantz SR5006 and the Denon 2312CI. What do you think and am I overlooking something?

Now after all this research on these forums and in-person listening, my wife is now thinking that she may prefer to have in-wall/wall mounted speakers for the cleaner look like the ceiling mounted rear surrounds. Will I lose that much HF audio and should convince her on the floors or can I find a comparable sounding wall mounted solution that would also look good with the LED TV slim mount (i.e. not book shelf)?

Need your help please!
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Tower speakers will give the better sound - you are going to need
a good powerful sub, for that wide open space. You do not need to
match, the sub with the speakers.
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmEX.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-3mk4.html
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-15h.html

You may want to think about finding the best deal you can, on the
receiver or buy refurbish.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...ceivers/1.html

Depending on left over budget, you may need to start with towers,
or towers and a center - and then build from there.

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Tower speakers will give the better sound - you are going to need
a good powerful sub, for that wide open space. You do not need to
match, the sub with the speakers...

Depending on left over budget, you may need to start with towers,
or towers and a center - and then build from there.

Thanks for the insight! I was so focused on the fronts that it seems I didn't give the sub enough thought. I checked out the sub links, but unsure what I'm looking at from a technology standpoint with the VTF-3 MK4? That VTF-15H sub looks awesome, though it is $500 more than I was planning. Out of the 360 sq ft media area, the actual sitting area is 15L x 13w. Will that HSU VTF-15H Subwoofer be too much?

Also, thanks for the refurbished website - have you purchased from it personally?
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I checked out the sub links, but unsure what I'm looking at from a technology standpoint with the VTF-3 MK4? That VTF-15H sub looks awesome, though it is $500 more than I was planning. Out of the 360 sq ft media area, the actual sitting area is 15L x 13w. Will that HSU VTF-15H Subwoofer be too much?

Also, thanks for the refurbished website - have you purchased from it personally?

If your media are is closed in and not wide open - then look at something
like the Ryrhmik sub
http://www.rythmikaudio.com/FV12.html

I have bought from AC4L, and others have too - they are a good company.

"with an open floor plan with Kitchen/dining (30L x 22'w) which leads into the media area (20'L x 18'w) where I'm looking to focus."

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If your media are is closed in and not wide open - then look at something
like the Ryrhmik sub...

I have bought from AC4L, and others have too - they are a good company.

"with an open floor plan with Kitchen/dining (30L x 22'w) which leads into the media area (20'L x 18'w) where I'm looking to focus."


The media area doesn't completely open into the kitchen/dining, I would call it semi-open. There is an 8' wall in the back that pinches the space to make a 11' "hallway" to the kitchen/dining which has a 3'w tall wall cabinet that partially closes the space as well.

When you have a sub and floor standing speakers, don't you set the floors to "small" thus sending the bass to the sub? If that is the case, wouldn't a wall mount speaker work just as well such as the Paradigm Millenia 20 or the B&W FPM5? I wonder about if an in-wall speaker like the Monitor Audio W280-LCR would work too giving that true hidden arrangement?

I really appreciate the feedback.
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When you have a sub and floor standing speakers, don't you set the floors to "small" thus sending the bass to the sub? If that is the case, wouldn't a wall mount speaker work just as well such as the Paradigm Millenia 20 or the B&W FPM5? I wonder about if an in-wall speaker like the Monitor Audio W280-LCR would work too giving that true hidden arrangement?

The Rythmik sub could work for you - set speakers to small

Wall mount speakers can work for you - I would go on-wall
before in-wall > your choice.
Also look at Atlantic Technology - Atlantic is good.
Atlantic FS-3200 - move down the page
https://dmc-electronics.com/Others.html

Also look at Focal Sib XL
http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/se...20sib&n=351899

For in-ceiling surrounds - Snell
http://shop.avscience.com/Snell-Acou...50R_p_306.html

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The Rythmik sub could work for you - set speakers to small

Wall mount speakers can work for you - I would go on-wall
before in-wall > your choice.
Also look at Atlantic Technology - Atlantic is good.
Atlantic FS-3200 - move down the page
https://dmc-electronics.com/Others.html

Also look at Focal Sib XL
http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/se...20sib&n=351899

For in-ceiling surrounds - Snell
http://shop.avscience.com/Snell-Acou...50R_p_306.html

I went out this evening after work to my local HT specialists to hear some wall mount speakers from Paradigm and Definitive Technology. I ended up listening to the DT Mythos XTR-50s. They sounded really good, though not as full as floor speakers while listening to hifi audio. So I also asked them to show me something similar in price, but in floor speakers. They said "you're in luck if you are willing to buy 'open box' because we have these Focal 826's on discount since they are last years' model and we need to move them to get the new model on the floor".

I listened to these speakers along with the new Paradigm Monitor 7s powered by a Marantz SR5006. My first impression was - oh my the French know how to build excellent sounding and looking speakers! The soundstage was so much larger and fuller along with distinctive clarity as compared to the Paradigm 7s and the B&W 684. Unfortunately, this dealer didn't carry Monitor Audio so I couldn't do a side by side comparison with a BX5, but I never got this excited about a speaker until the Focals.

I was extremely impressed, though to be fair the MSRP on the Focal's are much more expensive than the Monitor 7s, The setup including the pair of Focal 826s w/ matching center, pair of SpeakerCraft CRS6 One in-ceiling surrounds and the Marantz just makes my target of around $3K, but I won't be able to afford a sub.

Should I take the plunge? I would also need to try and convince my better half since these towers would be sitting very prominently in our modern TV/media room.
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It would be hard to pass up the Focal - I would skip the surrounds
and use that money, to save up for the sub.

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It would be hard to pass up the Focal - I would skip the surrounds
and use that money, to save up for the sub.

I'll take a look at the surrounds and do a bit more research on the subs you've recommended.

Thanks Jim, I really appreciate your advice and links!

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Wall mounted, not in wall, right?

If that's the case think this situation is what the Kef T series is meant for isn't it? The top of the line for the series, a T305 system has an MSRP of a penny under $2200 and only protrudes 1.5 inches when mounted on the wall. Before taxes, you should have 800 dollars leftover to find a good receiver to pair with them which is plenty, especially since you only need 5.1 for now. Say you spend $500 on the receiver, which is a fairly nominal price, that's a $2,700 subtotal which becomes 2,970 for everything assuming a relatively sales tax rate of 10%. It's right on budget and they have two lower rungs if that's cutting it a little too close for your tastes.

I haven't really tried Ts personally myself and I'm skeptical of how good a speaker that thin might sound but as an owner of a (sadly discontinued) 5005.2 set, I can say that Kef does a nice job of making nice sounding smallish speakers. Keeping in mind that you've already said you've got the missus to think about and that you want everything made by one company as to unify the look, I think this higher end home theater in a box is likely your best shot a good sounding, sleek, stylish and virtually unnoticable system which will please you both. Should look almost like it's built right into the home.

Just a thought to consider.
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