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Hi

I'm looking for new speakers, for music, stereo only.
I do hear/listening to all kind of music, but mainly R&B (Rihanna,Akon,Flo-Rida,Usher,Chris Brown,Ne-Yo), Dance, old-school Rap music/G-Funk (Foesum,Dove Schack,Warren G,Twinz,Dr.Dre) and some Rock (Def Leppard,Pink Floyd, Metallica,Guns N Roses,Red Hot Chilipeppers)
Which speakers will suit these generes best?
Speakers I have looked on, considering is, JBL LS-60, JBL LS80, PSB Image 6, PSB Imagine, PSB Synchrony Two.
I'm looking for a speaker with good bass, Punchy Mid-Bass.
Any suggestion?
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I am a music lover too.
i auditioned PSB Image 6, PSB Imagine and Jamo C.807.
For me I prefer Jamo C.807 ,its very musical.

i didn't hear from your other choices sorry.

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What is your budget?


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What is your budget?

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My budget is in the range of the above speakers.
Around 2500-3500 US $
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I have the PSB Image T6 speakers and a NHT B12D subwoofer. It is a very fine setup for any music; excellent in every respect. I can certainly recommend it. These speakers give very good bass down to 40 Hz, but I wanted to go a bit lower so I eventually added the sub.

I listen to Ry Cooder, Pops Staples, 50s rock and roll, and blues, jazz and bands, orchestras and classical.

If you just want two speakers with no sub, however, I would recommend the KEF Q900, which has bigger drivers and more bass, down to 32 Hz, and sound just as good as my speakers in other areas. It sounds like exactly what you are looking for, from your description; excellent bass drive and goes way down.

There is a very good article that reviewed it in Stereophile recently. You might want to check it out on their website.


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I'm looking for new speakers, for music, stereo only.
I do hear/listening to all kind of music, but mainly R&B (Rihanna,Akon,Flo-Rida,Usher,Chris Brown,Ne-Yo), Dance, old-school Rap music/G-Funk (Foesum,Dove Schack,Warren G,Twinz,Dr.Dre) and some Rock (Def Leppard,Pink Floyd, Metallica,Guns N Roses,Red Hot Chilipeppers)
Which speakers will suit these generes best?
Speakers I have looked on, considering is, JBL LS-60, JBL LS80, PSB Image 6, PSB Imagine, PSB Synchrony Two.
I'm looking for a speaker with good bass, Punchy Mid-Bass.
Any suggestion?

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You might want to use part of your budget to get a Rythmik F12 or F15 sub. They are considered amazing for music, and it will take a good sub to fill out the <40hz range for dance and hip hop even on tower speakers. And one of those would be particularly effective paired with bookshelf/monitor sized speakers like the PSB Image 6 that really need a sub.

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I have the PSB Image T6 and a NHT B12D subwoofer.

The NHT B12D might be a good subwoofer at it's price, but it largely unvetted. There are other subs in the $1000 and below price range that have been purchased by many AVS subwoofer forum members--such as the Rythmik subs (see the 5,000+ post Rythmik Owners Thread)--and have been confirmed to be excellent performers for the money. Research in the AVS subwoofer forum to learn more.

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I would have much rather purchased a Rythmic F12 or F15 or F15HP subwoofer than the NHT; they also have several other very good ones that I am sure go lower than my NHT B12D, but they are all physically larger, which was a problem in my situation. They were my first choice but they would not fit the space available. Price was not an issue; size was critical.

The reason I ended up with the NHT was because it is only 14 inches per side, which is essentially the maximum space I have available for a sub, and it does have enough bass extension and power for my room and my listening requirements; it does very well.

I simply could not find a better-performing one that would fit the space I had available. I would never claim that it is the best sub available for $700, although I AM happy with its performance.

In any case, I get the impression that the OP wants two speakers that go low enough to not need a subwoofer.

In his Stereophile listening test Of the KEF Q900, Kal Rubinson tried them with and without subwoofers and he concluded that they had so much bass extension by themselves that a subwoofer was not useful with them.



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The NHT B12D might be a good subwoofer at it's price, but it largely unvetted. There are other subs in the $1000 and below price range that have been purchased by many AVS subwoofer forum members--such as the Rythmik subs (see the 5,000+ post Rythmik Owners Thread)--and have been confirmed to be excellent performers for the money. Research in the AVS subwoofer forum to learn more.

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Just for the sake of clarity:

There is no "PSB Image 6" speaker.

There is a "PSB Image T6" tower speaker (which I have), and a "PSB Image B6" (bookshelf model). I assume you meant the B6.


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You might want to use part of your budget to get a Rythmik F12 or F15 sub. They are considered amazing for music, and it will take a good sub to fill out the <40hz range for dance and hip hop even on tower speakers. And one of those would be particularly effective paired with bookshelf/monitor sized speakers like the PSB Image 6 that really need a sub.

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The reason I ended up with the NHT was because it is only 14 inches per side, which is essentially the maximum space I have available for a sub, and it does have enough bass extension and power for my room and my listening requirements.

I simply could not find a better one that would fit the space I had available.

The Emotiva X-Ref 12 appears comparable, only we know how it tests. The NHT could be a little better performer, but it could also be worse; manufacturers are often overly optimistic in their subwoofer specs. Consult the AVS subwoofer forum before buying an expensive sub.

To commsysman: Just because there is a title field for individual posts to a thread, you don't have to fill it in. If you'll notice, regular posters on AVS tend to use those in owners threads where there a lot of different conversations going on, not in most of the shorter threads on AVS.

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There is no "PSB Image 6" speaker.

There is a "PSB Image T6" tower speaker (which I have), and a "PSB Image B6" (bookshelf model). I assume you meant the B6.

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No, I meant PSB Image T6. And I looking for floorstanding speakers.
I also would prefer speakers with excellent bass, with no need for a subwoofer.
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And I looking for floorstanding speakers.
I also would prefer speakers with excellent bass, with no need for a subwoofer.

This Atlantic Technology should be a good one for you -
and it looks impressive.
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That does not seem correct, because YOU SAID "bookshelf /monitor speakers like the Image 6", so how could you have been referring to the T6, which is a rather large floorstanding speaker?


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No, I meant PSB Image T6. And I looking for floorstanding speakers.
I also would prefer speakers with excellent bass, with no need for a subwoofer.

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If you just want two speakers with no sub, however, I would recommend the KEF Q900, which has bigger drivers and more bass, down to 32 Hz, and sound just as good as my speakers in other areas. It sounds like exactly what you are looking for, from your description; excellent bass drive and goes way down.

There is a very good article that reviewed it in Stereophile recently. You might want to check it out on their website.

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What I did not like with the KEF speakers, was the the drop in impedance, goes way low to 3,17 ohm. I would prefer speakers that dont go under 4 ohm.
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That does not seem correct, because YOU SAID "bookshelf /monitor speakers like the Image 6", so how could you have been referring to the T6, which is a rather large floorstanding speaker?

Hi

T for Tower and B for Bookshelf?
Did I say Bookshelf?
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I was answering a comment by cel4145 in post #6 when I said that...lol. That got confused there.

I understand what you are looking for, which is why I recommended the KEF Q900, which should be perfect for what you described, based on Kal Rubinson's testing and evaluation (and my own listening).


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No, I meant PSB Image T6. And I looking for floorstanding speakers.
I also would prefer speakers with excellent bass, with no need for a subwoofer.

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Mine is an excellent performer in my system, whether anyone besides me has tested it or not. I bought it because it was 14" or less in all dimensions, which was my MAXIMUM, and I felt it would be the best performer within that size limitation. To date, I am still not aware of any choice that would have been better.

I rejected the Emotiva for the same reason as all of the others; TOO LARGE!!! (16 x15 x16).


[quote=cel4145;21496688]The Emotiva X-Ref 12 appears comparable, only we know how it tests. The NHT could be a little better performer, but it could also be worse; manufacturers are often overly optimistic in their subwoofer specs. Consult the AVS subwoofer forum before buying an expensive sub.
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T for Tower and B for Bookshelf?
Did I say Bookshelf?


No, cel4145 did; in post #6; I was commenting on what HE said.

Sorry for the confusion.
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Mine is an excellent performer in my system, whether anyone besides me has tested it or not. I bought it because it was 14" or less in all dimensions, which was my MAXIMUM, and I felt it would be the best performer within that size limitation. To date, I am still not aware of any choice that would have been better.

I rejected the Emotiva for the same reason as all of the others; TOO LARGE!!! (16 x15 x16).

I wasn't addressing you with that reply. I was talking to the OP. That being said, if there is a review how about sharing the link? I'm sure other people would like to see it, too.

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T for Tower and B for Bookshelf?
Did I say Bookshelf?

No, you said "PSB Image 6, PSB Imagine" in your original post and didn't specify towers exclusively. I guessed you might be looking at the whole lines.

But now it's clear. You are thinking towers

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A very good point. One would want to be sure that the amplifier used was appropriate for them.

I guess no one ever asked what sort of amplifier you are using or intend to use.

The KEF Q900 speakers don't need too much power, per se, but you do need to choose the right amp to drive that kind of load.



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What I did not like with the KEF speakers, was the the drop in impedance, goes way low to 3,17 ohm. I would prefer speakers that dont go under 4 ohm.

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Some of the more popular tower speakers recommended for music listening on this forum in your price range are Salk Songtowers, Ascend Acoustics Sierra Towers, Revel, and Focal Chorus series.

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A very good point. One would want to be sure that the amplifier used was appropriate for them.

I guess no one ever asked what sort of amplifier you are using or intend to use.

The KEF Q900 speakers don't need too much power, per se, but you do need to choose the right amp to drive that kind of load.

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Amplifier and/or receiver is not decied yet. Today I have a Pioneer SC-57 receiver, and I dont think this would like the low impedance.
This is why I looking for new speakers, I have B&W CM9, these also dip very low, 3,1 ohm. Thats why I want speakers that are relatively easy to drive.
I also have a stereo amplifier, Lyngdorf TDAI2200, is a danish brand.
Pure Digital Amplifier that also does not like low impedances, goes into protect, shutt off. I maybe will go for a new amplifier also, maybe Parasound or Hegel, a norwegian amplifier. Very powerful and stable down to 2 ohm.
But first now, I want speakers that my Pioneer receiver can handle without problem.
The reason I want to keep the Pioneer and use it for stereo, is because the ability to use it for HT and all the connections for PS3 XBOX360. Though stereo is first priority!
I also dont want to go for a power amp because off little space.
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Well, most of the speakers that are considered "audiophile" speakers, that are best for classical music etc, are 6 ohm or 4 ohm speakers and go below 4 ohms during some portion of their frequency response range.

One that might be good for you that I didn't think of before is the JBL L890,
which is 8 ohms and will play loud with a LOT of good bass.

It has a rated frequency response down to 28 Hz and has dual 8-inch drivers. that should do the bass rather well...lol.

It is a 4-way design and has good power-handling ratings.

It was $799 each , but JBL is selling it for $560 each now direct from their website (but they show out of stock and invite you to back-order...hmmm??).

Amazon has it for $700 each.

The JBL LS-80 which you mentioned earlier, BTW, is only rated down to 46 Hz and JBL says it is 6 ohms, so I don't think that is what you want.




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What I did not like with the KEF speakers, was the the drop in impedance, goes way low to 3,17 ohm. I would prefer speakers that dont go under 4 ohm.

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Well, most of the speakers that are considered "audiophile" speakers, that are best for classical music etc, are 6 ohm or 4 ohm speakers and go below 4 ohms during some portion of their frequency response range.

One that might be good for you that I didn't think of before is the JBL L890,
which is 8 ohms and will play loud with a LOT of good bass.

It has a rated frequency response down to 28 Hz and has dual 8-inch drivers. that should do the bass rather well...lol.

It is a 4-way design and has good power-handling ratings.

It was $799 each , but JBL is selling it for $560 each now direct from their website (but they show out of stock and invite you to back-order...hmmm??).

Amazon has it for $700 each.

The JBL LS-80 which you mentioned earlier, BTW, is only rated down to 46 Hz and JBL says it is 6 ohms, so I don't think that is what you want.

Hi

But how are these compared to JBL LS-series?
I have been thinking that LS60 or LS80 would suit my needs?
Good PUNCHY Mid-Bass that would sound great?, on R&B, rap, rock, Dance? music. And it does not go lower then 4,5 ohm I think. The Pioneer receiver should drive them easy?
How low does my kind of music go in frequency? Music rearly goes lower than 46 Hz?
It is not so important that the speakers goes deep, for HT I have subwoofer, the Mid -Bass is more important.
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Speakers I have looked on, considering is, JBL LS-60, JBL LS80, PSB Image 6, PSB Imagine, PSB Synchrony Two.
I'm looking for a speaker with good bass, Punchy Mid-Bass.

I would go for the LS-80 or PSB Imagine Tower

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Neither one is going to give him the bass he says he wants. That doesn't seem to make any sense to me. The PSB Imagine T only has two tiny 5-inch drivers, so it has no bass at all. Its impedance is also too low.

JBL says the LS-80 only goes down to 46 Hz, so how is that going to give him what he wants? It obviously will not!

Both of those speakers seem to be designed for use with a subwoofer, which the OP says he does not want.


The PSB Image T6 goes down to 39 Hz; that would be a lot better than those two! It certainly has plenty of bass right down to its limit, which may be low enough for what he has in mind.


JBL says that the L890 goes down to 28 HZ, and is an 8 ohm speaker, so that seems like an obvious choice, doesn't it?? Amazon has it for $699 each now.


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How low does my kind of music go in frequency? Music rearly goes lower than 46 Hz?

I have Energy RC-10s bookshelves with a Mirage Prestige S10. The crossover is set at about 50hz--the -3db drop off of the RC-10s. I listen to lots of dance and house music--dub step, trance, techno, trip hop, some rap & hip hop, new disco--and that sub kicks in all the time with frequencies that are going down below 50hz. Classic rock, not so much. Old school R&B/dance and disco from the 70s, not too much either. But the stuff that has come out starting in the late 90s, yeah, you get some good deep bass response on some songs, even some occasional experimental stuff going down below 30hz. For example, I'm listening at the moment to "Sands of Time" by Progression from Tiesto's In Search of Sunrise, Vol 4. You can even feel it some with the lower bit rate youtube version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc4V56xdvso

If you have bookshelves or full range speakers that go down to 50hz or so, try it in your HT system. Sample music with the sub on and off.

But I wouldn't worry about it for the speakers. Get the ones with good midbass, and then get a sub. Even a 6" or 8" woofer in towers is not going to perform like a good 12" subwoofer.

BTW: This mid bass module from HSU sounds really cool. I think it's probably designed more for HT.

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Neither one is going to give him the bass he says he wants. That doesn't seem to make any sense to me.
JBL says that the L890 goes down to 28 HZ, so that seems like an obvious choice, doesn't it?? Amazon has it for $699 each now.

We will agree to disagree - The LS-80 Starts rolling off at 35hz
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/home-...s.html?start=4

I am not a big fan of lower level JBL products, for music.
The Image series is a matter of preference taste and choice,
I prefer the Imagine series for music - their bass will hit
around 45 hz, and is punchy for music.

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We will agree to disagree - The LS-80 Starts rolling off at 35hz
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/home-...s.html?start=4

I am not a big fan of lower level JBL products, for music.
The Image series is a matter of preference taste and choice,
I prefer the Imagine series for music - their bass will hit
around 45 hz, and is punchy for music.

Hi

But does LS80 go lower then my B&W CM9 speakers?

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Downlo...info_sheet.pdf

I see PSB Image T6 also goes very low in impedance, 3,1 ohm. Maybe it would be best for me just to buy a new amp.
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