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I will start by saying I work for a retailer and in turn the b&w cm9's and def tech mythos st's fall into this category. I ideally will be using the system for 70% movies and tv and 30% music. The room they are for is about 14x11 with hardwood floors 2 openings on the left side one leads to 2 other rooms the other opening is a staircase that leads upstairs. I currently own a pioneer sc-05, klipsch quintet sl's and a klipsch sw 450. I would really like something more musical and well rounded if that makes sense.

I will be upgrading everything slowly though. First being the front soundstage as I think that will make the biggest difference then either the sub or the rears but my budget only allows me to do it this way. Subs I have been looking into a little already leaning towards either the epik empire or the hsu vt15h but that could change as it is not my focus as of yet. Sorry for the ramble just trying to be thorough. And I am looking for either enforcement if one of the above choices or anything else in the range or less of course.
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Look at Focal
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-41253-f...eakers-pr.aspx
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-4927-fo...r-speaker.aspx

And KEF
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http://app.audiogon.com/listings/443639

Add 2-3 Outlaw Audio Mini Mono and you'd have the start of an awesome HT setup. I think the seller has a center channel for sale as well.

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For $2000 MSRP, I can recommend:

Paradigm Studio 20 with J-29 stands
Revel F12
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Thanks for the recommendations guys. I take it you guys believe these will out perform the cm9's? Either way I will do my due diligence.
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For $2000 MSRP, I can recommend:

Paradigm Studio 20 with J-29 stands
Revel F12

Studio 60s is another option for a little bit more. Provides a bit more punch for theater.
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I'm going to jump outside the box and suggest you buy used. There are a lot of factors to consider when asking for speaker recommendations, but, not knowing anything about your situation I will go ahead and say what I just told my son.

Look for a used pair of Aerial Acoustics mains; model 6, 7b, or 10t. All can be found for less than $2000, and, can be complemented with either of Aerials excellent center channel speakers.

Are you all HT? Do you listen to music? How big is your room? What physical placement limitations do you have? How much amplification are you willing to purchase?

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I like the B&W 800 line up a lot better than the CM line. Of course there is $$$$ difference in price.

The KEF speakers linked above sound good to me. Overall I think KEF is very strong in their price brackets.
Never had an opportunity to do A/B with them and the CM9's though.
I am not a fan of shiny but it is not a deal breaker.
I would probably pick the CM9's out of your list.

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I would highly recommend the deftech 8060-st towers.They are a knock out for movies and music......here is a video review I made of my system.....use headphones when listening to the video


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I will definitely get this if you will spare me your $2000.00

http://philharmonicaudio.com/philharmonic2.html
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I will definitely get this if you will spare me your $2000.00

http://philharmonicaudio.com/philharmonic2.html

The Philharmonic 1, or the 2 - is worth checking out.
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Will be checking these out soon, so I do not know how they will compare but worth a look.

http://gr-research.com/n3.aspx

Note: these are a kit but you can get fully assembled cabinets from the audiocircle forum and the crossovers can be assembled by skiing ninja.

The nice thing is you get one of a kind speakers made to your specs and every single component looks to be top of the line.

Probably will come in at around $2k with crossover assembled and cabinets finished by other people.

Also, he has a tour of the N2X (Sealed bookshelf speaker) going now that will only cost you shipping to audition them in your room.
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The Philharmonic 1, or the 2 - is worth checking out.
http://philharmonicaudio.com/index.html

Someone else pm'ed me these seem pretty interesting.
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Someone else pm'ed me these seem pretty interesting.

The designer is highly regarded.

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It certainly makes sense to me; I would not be all that happy with what you now have.

The PSB Image T6 is the best-sounding speaker in that price range that I have ever heard, although the KEF Q900 comes very close. I have listened to the B & W CM9 at a friend's house and I do not care for that sound very much; not a well-balanced sound. It wouldn't be in my top 5 for under $2000.

After listening to over 10 different speakers thoroughly, including some for up to $2400, I bought the Image T6 and am extremely satisfied. I could not find anything that sounded better to me for under $2000.

I am using them with an Audio Research LS-26 preamp and a Bryston 3B-SST amplifier, and the sound is to die for; excellent in every way.

The Absolute Sound Magazine thought them so good that they did a feature article on "Recommended Systems" at various price levels and chose them over all others as the speaker for their Recommended System (2-channel) at the $3600 price point.

If you want to go one step higher in sound quality than the Image T6, the Dynaudio X32 is incredibly good, but it retails for around $2800; or, the Vandersteen 2CE for $2400.

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I have the Vandersteen Model 3A ($4500) at my other home, but for this system at my new 2nd home I just didn't have room for the width of the Vandersteens.




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I will start by saying I work for a retailer and in turn the b&w cm9's and def tech mythos st's fall into this category. I ideally will be using the system for 70% movies and tv and 30% music. The room they are for is about 14x11 with hardwood floors 2 openings on the left side one leads to 2 other rooms the other opening is a staircase that leads upstairs. I currently own a pioneer sc-05, klipsch quintet sl's and a klipsch sw 450. I would really like something more musical and well rounded if that makes sense.

I will be upgrading everything slowly though. First being the front soundstage as I think that will make the biggest difference then either the sub or the rears but my budget only allows me to do it this way. Subs I have been looking into a little already leaning towards either the epik empire or the hsu vt15h but that could change as it is not my focus as of yet. Sorry for the ramble just trying to be thorough. And I am looking for either enforcement if one of the above choices or anything else in the range or less of course.

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KEF Q900s no questions asked.

review : http://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-q900-loudspeaker

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But the most important thing—or, for the true audiophile, the only thing—to consider is the Q900's sound. That sound is wide-range, balanced, and spacious, and seems to neither favor nor disfavor any genre of music. I have been sampling small floorstanders in the under-$2000 range for a number of years now, and there is no other speaker in that range that I prefer to the KEF Q900.

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It is an excellent speaker; no doubt. One concern I would have with a Pioneer receiver is the fact that the Q900 impedance drops well below 3 ohms. I'm not sure its amplifiers would like that.



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KEF Q900s no questions asked.

review : http://www.stereophile.com/content/kef-q900-loudspeaker

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It is an excellent speaker; no doubt. One concern I would have with a Pioneer receiver is the fact that the Q900 impedance drops well below 3 ohms. I'm not sure its amplifiers would like that.

I have a marantz sr5005, not a big power receiver at all and it has been able to handle them just fine while my power amp has been in service since the right chan decided to go out

it has had no problems so far, its not a pioneer, but my understanding is they have fairly robust amp sections too.
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So I'm still researching btw I don't think those philharmonic speakers will work in my room too much depth for my room and what would I use as a center and rears. I keep reading bad things about b&w center channels and am wondering if the cmc2 falls into this category. I will look into the psb and kef options stated as well I liked the look of the paradigm I will have to demo those as well.
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I'm not trying to invoke a fight but you clearly state that your right channel went out in your post. I am willing to upgrade the amp it just wouldn't be right away and I would be using the sc 05 as the pre for awhile. Oh never mind just reread you said your amps right channel went out.


yea it was an old 70s carver unit, one of the caps died (i presume from old age)
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So I'm still researching btw I don't think those philharmonic speakers will work in my room too much depth for my room and what would I use as a center and rears. I keep reading bad things about b&w center channels and am wondering if the cmc2 falls into this category. I will look into the psb and kef options stated as well I liked the look of the paradigm I will have to demo those as well.

Just incase you missed my post up a bit...have you heard the 8060-st towers from definitive tech?....if not I would highly recommend a listen......they are bipolar so your soundstage would be big and bold and they have 10 inch subs in them.

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I own a pair of Mythos ST, love it for both movie & music! I've listen the CM9 and like them too. But I feel the ST is a bit more "fuller" due to the built in sub. I don't think you could go wrong with either one!
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How about the new Ascend Sierra Tower (~$1898.00) or Salk Audio ST (~$1999.00)...I think they'd compete relatively well within the OP budget?

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Since your looking at getting a great sub in the near future why not spend $1000-$1200 on a nice pair of monitors and get the sub now.

The full range speakers will provide limited benefits when running with one of the subs you mentioned.

The Sierra 1 with the tweeter upgrade seems to be the ticket in that price range.

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How much are the B&W 805 speakers going for these days??
Big step up from the CM series IMO.

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How much are the B&W 805 speakers going for these days??
Big step up from the CM series IMO.

I unfortunately don't get the afformentioned discount on anything higher than the cm line.
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Since your looking at getting a great sub in the near future why not spend $1000-$1200 on a nice pair of monitors and get the sub now.

The full range speakers will provide limited benefits when running with one of the subs you mentioned.

The Sierra 1 with the tweeter upgrade seems to be the ticket in that price range.

Valid point I am debating whether to do the what would end up as rears first. I have heard good things about the sierras. Or it would be cm5's at 300 to 400 less than that.
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Goldenear Triton 3

I heard them at CES and they sounded excellent for $1000 each. Now, at the show they were being driven by very expensive passlabs gear, but they seemed like a bargain for the sound.

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Dude, also work at BB man. PROUD PROUD owner of the B and W CM series. Everyone here will say "they suck", "overpriced", etc etc but it seems there is always a re-occuring "hate on the big brand" prowess associated with this forum. Whatever, people will be people lol.

Anyways, the 8060s suck for music. They lack so much midrange and definition, they're just outright in your face. Good HT speaker though.

I've owned Energy Veritas, Infinity Primus, Klipsch Reference, Paradigm Studios, among many many others and the B and Ws are BY FAR the greatest I've heard so far. They're very neutral and natural. Bring em home, don't listen to the crappy demo we have setup.

At our price, they are a steal and sound fantastic. Trust me though, audition them before listening to everyone here. You always see the same options posted here (Cambridge audio, KEF, Emotiva, etc), never anything mainstream because people think theyre ****.
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