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Old 02-02-2012, 07:55 PM - Thread Starter
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Hey guys, I'm not sure if the speaker forum is the best place for this since I'm asking about a whole setup but here's my situation. I'm looking to upgrade my older Onkyo HT-S780 HTIB (the receiver is the HT-R530, and wanted to know if this was a good route.

Receiver: Pioneer VSX1012K, (local negotiated deal for $275)... could get a Onkyo TXNR609 for $325 if it's worth the extra money.
Speakers: Pioneer FS51's, BS21's, C21 (BestBuy for $285)
Sub: BIC F12 (Amazon for $188)

I use the system mostly for ps3 gaming and watching blu-rays via ps3. I don't think I need any hdmi inputs as I plan on continuing to use hdmi directly from my ps3 (and cable box) to an Epson 8350 projector for the video and digital optical to the receiver for the audio. I don't want to add any input lag for gaming. As far as the room, it's a wide open basement (aprox. 700 sq. ft.) The seating is 13 ft from the screen/front speakers. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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For a receiver at that price point, I like the Denon 1612 so that you get Audyssey MultiEQ room correction software, which has EQ filters for the speakers and the sub. The Onkyo has Audyssey 2EQ, which has no EQ filters at all. MultiEQ can help to make your entire setup sound better.

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For a receiver at that price point, I like the Denon 1612 so that you get Audyssey MultiEQ room correction software, which has EQ filters for the speakers and the sub. The Onkyo has Audyssey 2EQ, which has no EQ filters at all. MultiEQ can help to make your entire setup sound better.

Would the Denon 1612 be a good match with the Pioneer speakers? I noticed that the Denon is less expensive than the Onkyo, what would I be losing? Would the 1712 or 1912 be worth the added expense? Thanks again
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Either one would work fine with the Pioneers. Just depends on which one has features you like better. The Onkyo has a touch more measured amplifier output in tests, but not enough to be very significant, and it can do 7.1 (the Denon is only 5.1), but I'm not sure of the differences beyond that and MulitEQ vs 2EQ.

Here are two reviews--both very favorable--so you can see which seems better to you:
http://www.hometheater.com/content/d...12-av-receiver
http://www.hometheater.com/content/o...09-av-receiver

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For a receiver at that price point, I like the Denon 1612 so that you get Audyssey MultiEQ room correction software, which has EQ filters for the speakers and the sub. The Onkyo has Audyssey 2EQ, which has no EQ filters at all. MultiEQ can help to make your entire setup sound better.

Ditto on getting the Denon.

Not very good speakers, but not very much money....
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I just picked up the 1021 from NewEgg, I chose that due to the airplay features. They also have a pretty decent deal from what I can tell on the Martin Logan MT-2 for $299. That's 5.1 speaker system that could save you some money. I got the whole thing for 599.99 free shipping no tax. Now I must beg for forgiveness from the wife. But I had to get rid of my old system 2 years ago due to staging my house and I didn't want to spend 100 bucks a month storing a bunch of my stuff so I either sold it or donated to good will. She likes music so I hope she understands. Right now I'm running my Klipsch promedia to my tv via a headphone jack, not the best setup but good enough to get me thru for 2 year.
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Would the Denon 1612 be a good match with the Pioneer speakers? I noticed that the Denon is less expensive than the Onkyo, what would I be losing? Would the 1712 or 1912 be worth the added expense? Thanks again

I would not drop below the 1712 personally. Audyssey MultEQ XT is much more powerful than the standard MultEQ. You should call AV Science or Electronics Expo for their prices. Alternatively, you can go with refurbs or open box items to save on costs.

Like these:
http://www.electronics-expo.com/open...receiver-black

http://www.accessories4less.com/inde...&id=DENAVR1712 includes a free iPod dock

If you want/need Airplay step up to the 1912. They both will match well with the Pioneer speakers. They may be low in cost, but they are by no means not good speakers.
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The Pioneer and Denon will make a good combo. And, If someone
does not like the the Pioneer speakers, then that is fine - they can
go back and listen to their speakers. For one on a tight budget, the
Pioneer's are good.

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In checking Denon's site, I found out the 1912 steps back down to Audyssey MultEQ for some reason. So between the two, you will need to decide which is more important, more likely than not better calibration of Audyssey MultEQ XT in the 1712 or more features like Airplay, but lower end Audyssey MultEQ of the 1912.
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Pardon me for harping on the virtues of these Pioneer speakers yet again They set the bar ridiculously high for budget speakers. Warm and full sound with spacious sound stage and clear imaging. The sound never seem localized at the speaker box. Tweeter is surprisingly capable too.
For $200 more, the JBL Studio 180 5.0 set offers much of the same goodness - huge sound stage and very sharp imaging. The JBL tweeters are waveguide loaded for a larger sweet spot. Worth every penny IMO.
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I would not drop below the 1712 personally. Audyssey MultEQ XT is much more powerful than the standard MultEQ.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but audyssey doesn't amplify the sound, but callibrates the system and provides room correction. Am I correct in saying that?
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There are about half a dozen different systems that Audessy puts out. Some are simple, and some very sophisticated. I assume that you can go to an Audessy website and get a rundown on each one.

Some do some fairly basic adjustments, but the fundamental concept is to use a provided microphone and software to adjust the various channel gains and/or frequency responses in the receiver to compensate for speaker and room idiosyncrasies.

It adjusts the amplification; it does not actually amplify anything itself.




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Correct me if I'm wrong, but audyssey doesn't amplify the sound, but callibrates the system and provides room correction. Am I correct in saying that?

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but audyssey doesn't amplify the sound, but callibrates the system and provides room correction. Am I correct in saying that?

As commsysman has pointed out, Audyssey does not amplify the sound, but adjust the trims of the individual channels to achieve reference levels when the master volume is at 0. So it does not amplify the sound, but it does influence the amplification of it. On your second note, yes in a nutshell, it provides calibration and room correction in the AVR based on the measured response of your speakers in your room.
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I would not drop below the 1712 personally. Audyssey MultEQ XT is much more powerful than the standard MultEQ

Well actually the reason for my post was so that others (as I once did) don't misinterpret duc's comment about being "more powerful". Someone (again, as I once did) may interpret that statement to mean audyssey is a form of amplification which it is not.
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