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Noob here. Just assembled my first setup, but I have a few questions.

Here's my gear:

Receiver- Pioneer VSX-1021
Speakers- (3) SuperZero 2.0
Subwoofer- Lava LSP10

Everything running through my receiver via hdmi 1.4
14 AWG to my speakers
Belkin RCA cord for sub (LFE)

This setup is for a small area now and if I decide to stick with the hobby (already getting hooked) it will probably become a bedroom/secondary system.

Questions are:

My speakers have a frequency response of 85-20000Hz, should I have my subwoofer crossover frequency at 100 or 150Hz? I have done my research and many agree that 85 may be a little bit of a stretch (but such incredible mids/highs), but under these circumstances is there really going to be that much a difference between 100 and 150Hz?

With the 3.1 I have my 2 fronts and 1 center. Does it matter if the center is upright or horizontal? It is identical to my fronts, but can be placed on its side.

I have heard that having an identical front speaker as a center is ideal compared to using a dedicated center speaker; how much truth is there to that?

Optical versus HDMI; I may be hallucinating but I swear that picture quality is slightly degraded when it passes through my receiver (video converter off). If I were to go direct HDMI from my cable box to my TV and then run an optical out from my TV to my receiver, how much, if any, would this affect sound quality? I do love my HBO series'...

Thanks for all your help!
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While the crossover frequency should be higher than the low frequency roll off of the SuperZeros, use the one that sounds best to you. I would try 100hz first, but 120hz or 150hz might be better. Try each for a while (a few days, a week) if you aren't sure of the difference, and then go with your preference.

As far as I know, the SuperZeros are meant to be placed vertically. You may have more trouble hearing the dialogue if laid on it's side. And yes, same speaker is best, but most people compromise with the center channel designed to match close in timbre and lay horizontal.

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Expierment, however do not be surprised if 120hz is the one.
If you have the height, then stand the center straight up - it
will be OK sideways (per NHT), however straight up is the best.

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i would get a stronger sub.te nht superzeros really need a sub that go a bit higher.
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Thanks for the advice. The problem is, on my receiver, I can only select 100 or 150Hz, no 120. With this being the case, is it better to go with 100 and possibly miss out on a little mid-bass(?) or go with 150 and risk sub localization?

Or, given these circumstances, should I avoid LFE and use the low level inputs? Can I bypass the receivers xover and manual dial it in on the receiver to get the 120 (if it ends up being ideal)?
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i would get something like the hsu-stf-1 subwoofer. the lava sub has problems digging really low.
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My sub goes to 200hz. I haven't seen many that go that high. Do you mean I need a larger sub with more output? Upgrading is not really an option; optimizing is the goal.

It's a small listening area and more music than movies.
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Another question: with speaker placement, do left and right front speakers need to be equidistant from the center speaker? And does the center speaker need to be centered beneath the tv or can it be off to one side (so that I can stand it vertical)?

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You definitely need to set it for 100Hz. If you set it to 150 you will have too wide of a f range where the sub and fronts overlap and that will sound crappy.

I personally think front speakers should always go down to 50-60 Hz, because you should have stereo down to those frequencies; but you have what you have.



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Thanks for the advice. The problem is, on my receiver, I can only select 100 or 150Hz, no 120. With this being the case, is it better to go with 100 and possibly miss out on a little mid-bass(?) or go with 150 and risk sub localization?

Or, given these circumstances, should I avoid LFE and use the low level inputs? Can I bypass the receivers xover and manual dial it in on the receiver to get the 120 (if it ends up being ideal)?

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Optical versus HDMI; I may be hallucinating but I swear that picture quality is slightly degraded when it passes through my receiver (video converter off). If I were to go direct HDMI from my cable box to my TV and then run an optical out from my TV to my receiver, how much, if any, would this affect sound quality? I do love my HBO series'...

Thanks for all your help!

Your TV will most likely only output Stereo sound from it inputs so you will be losing the 5.1 sound. So if you want to connect the cable box directly to the TV run the optical cable from the cable box to the receiver


As for crossover set it at 100hz on the receiver. Crank the crossover knob on the Subwoofer to max. The LSP10 will go plenty high for the NHT's to blend

For best results I have my center dead center directly below or above the TV. Having the Mini Monitor on it's side is perfectly fine so don't worry.

I like to have my speakers on either side of my TV. Generally the one number I read was that your front left and right should be apart how many feet you have from your center to the seating position. Dolby recommends 3feet from the side of the tv on each side. But mine are inches from the TV on either side and I still get great sound out of my speakers
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Thanks for all the advice. If I were to go 5.1 (all SZ2.0 for now) would my receiver (vsx1021) be able to handle it from a power standpoint?
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Thanks for all the advice. If I were to go 5.1 (all SZ2.0 for now) would my receiver (vsx1021) be able to handle it from a power standpoint?

Depends on room size. Quote from HT review-

"Oops, I tipped my hand. What more do you need for a conclusion? The NHT SuperZero 2.0 is a dab hand at movies and music. For these small speakers, big words are not inappropriateexcellent, superb, brilliantalthough words like comforting, nourishing, and nonfatiguing might be nearer the mark. Perhaps it would be more helpful to finish up with statements drawn from fact and listening: These speakers are cute. They cost next to nothing. They come from people with good ears who are drawing on decades of experience and know exactly what's easy to live with. Compared with other NHT products, they're fairly relaxed and mellow. Mate them with a low- to moderate-priced A/V receiver, and you'll have a deeply satisfying starter surround system."

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Thanks for all the advice. If I were to go 5.1 (all SZ2.0 for now) would my receiver (vsx1021) be able to handle it from a power standpoint?

Do you mean will it provide enough volume? If your receiver is doing fine with that now for your listening levels, adding two more rear surround speakers will not greatly change that.

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Thanks. Yes, I meant enough power to make the speakers shine (volume and allowing the speakers to use their full potential). With the 3.1 setup I find a good listening range of -30 to -10 dB, will I have to crank it up higher with the 5.1 to get the same sound?

Kind of off topic, but being the noob here, is there anything else I can do to my current system to make it better (particular speaker wires/gauge, LFE cable, subdude)?

Also, I would like to upgrade my fronts to either Absolute towers or Classic 3s at some point in the future. Will this upgrade also require a receiver upgrade? How will they play with the SZ2.0s as surrounds?
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