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Hi all,

I am looking for a center speaker. First, let me describe my setup, since I'm sure no one has the main speakers I have.

Receiver - Denon AVR2112-CI
Center - Energy Take Classic
Surrounds - Energy Take Classics
Subwoofer - HSU STF-2
Mains- DCM Timeframe TF-500
(They are a 6" 2 way"trannyline" design.
34hz-20khz ±3db
8 ohms nominal
Efficiency 90db/1watt/1mtr.
Recommended power range 20-150 watts.
Floor standing
They weigh 45lbs each)

Here is a picture of them. It's not my picture, but those are the speakers.

Here is my room layout. Ignore the part that says "soon to be energy RC-mini" (for center.) I was just surmising - I can't even find a RC-Mini center. I guess they are discontinued.

Of everything I have, I believe the center needs to be upgraded pronto. I just don't have enough knowledge to be able to look at the specs of center speakers and deem them a good match to my mains. I'll say one thing for sure, the TF500's have a beautiful sound stage. I didn't even tweak them and could've SWORN that the sound was coming from right in front of me, and that's without hooking up the center. The only thing is, it's a bit hard to hear dialogue.

I was looking at the Pioneer SP-C21 for $50 because I have read good things about it, but I have no idea how it'll pair up with my TF500's. (Edit, forgot the cardinal rule of putting a price range: I'm looking to spend in the $100-150 price range. Bang for the buck sorta thing. I'm willing to wait for a sale.)

At some point I'll upgrade my Energy Take surrounds, but those can wait.

I appreciate any advice or input offered.

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One other question I have:

Given the main speakers' specs, should my Denon avr2112ci be good with powering them? The denon outputs 90 watts/channel.

I tried doing some research about this, learning about the whole 90db/1w/1mtr thing, and I feel that it should be ok.. but still not certain. I sit about 10' away from the speakers.

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Ok, if no one can recommend a center, can you give me a nudge in the right direction? What do I want to look for in a center to match the fronts?

I'm assuming this is what needs to be similiar: 34hz-20khz ±3db
And this can't be too far off: Efficiency 90db/1watt/1mtr.

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What's a guy gotta do for a little love around here?

Is it because the speakers are so unknown that I can't get any advice? I promise, I took a shower last night.

I don't think I have the funds to upgrade Fronts and get a new Center. Plus, these Fronts sound really, really nice.

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What's a guy gotta do for a little love around here?

Is it because the speakers are so unknown that I can't get any advice? I promise, I took a shower last night.

I don't think I have the funds to upgrade Fronts and get a new Center. Plus, these Fronts sound really, really nice.

DCM has it's own signature sound - at least get the CX-17, and use
one as a center channel.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOR-SALE-Vin...item3a6d6f5ff9

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What's a guy gotta do for a little love around here?

Is it because the speakers are so unknown that I can't get any advice? I promise, I took a shower last night.

I don't think I have the funds to upgrade Fronts and get a new Center. Plus, these Fronts sound really, really nice.

Thanks,
Sabin

Then turn off the center channel on your system and remove the current center.

The only true matching center would be another dcm tf-500

You can buy these budget centers and try them out however they won't be a true match so you will have to tell your ears to make the compromise
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Not at all familiar with your mains. But there is a lot more to it than just the frequency response and sensitivity. Generally you want to get as close as possible timbre match to the front three (LCR). They type of tweeter and the construction of the speaker cabinet have a lot to do with that. As for the sensitivity and the frequency response, a lot of that is moot because your Audyssey room correction will adjust for differences there up to a point... Sorry I can't help you any more than that. Look for other owners of those mains to find out what they are using that might fit into your $150 budget...

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DCM has it's own signature sound - at least get the CX-17, and use
one as a center channel.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/FOR-SALE-Vin...item3a6d6f5ff9

Thanks zieglj. Hmm that's a toughy. I'm trying to think how I would place that as a center speaker. Kinda pricey too for old speakers.

Thanks for the advice though, I appreciate it.

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Thanks for the responses guys. I didn't really expect a definitive answer, I suppose. Was just looking for a nudge, and was wondering what I did to make people not respond at all. Your responses are definitely helping me.

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Here is amanual for a DCM center if youw ant to stay with DCM:

http://www.dcmspeakers.com/manuals/S...capeCenter.pdf

Here is an eBay search for DCM centers. Don't know if/how the newer centers would integrate with the stuff you have...but it has at least as good if not better chance than any of the budget centers from some other manufacturer...

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_kw=DCM&_kw=Center

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Thanks zieglj. Hmm that's a toughy. I'm trying to think how I would place that as a center speaker. Kinda pricey too for old speakers.

You would turn it sideways if you have room - stay away from the
old horn loaded center. The TimeWindow/SurroundScape center, or
the CX-17 is the area you should aim for. The new DCM's are from
Mitek, a different design team.

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You would turn it sideways if you have room - stay away from the
old horn loaded center. The TimeWindow/SurroundScape center, or
the CX-17 is the area you should aim for. The new DCM's are from
Mitek, a different design team.

Ah, ok. Thanks alot. :-) Just checked the one thread dedicated to DCM, and I hear chatter about the CX-17

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Ah, ok. Thanks alot. :-) Just checked the one thread dedicated to DCM, and I hear chatter about the CX-17

It is good for the origional price - and has decent bass.
For the price the midrange is good, and no harsh treble.

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I just took the same advice from the DCM thread & picked up a CX 17 to match a pair of TW Surroundscapes. Perfect match in timbre & efficiency. Remarkable difference from the Yamaha I had been using.
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