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Old 02-12-2012, 05:36 PM - Thread Starter
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I just would like to start off with a big thanks on all the advice I've gotten already. I just bought a pair of monitor 70 and a cs2 recently. I was going to buy a pair of polk satellites also but I have two pair of panasonic satellites that I can use from my previous set up. You can find them here. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0038K..._d_detail?pd=1 I'm just wondering if they will do ok with the fronts I have now? Also I've been looking for a decent receiver. The one I have in mind is the vsx 1021. Id like a 7.1 setup..also would like pre outs so that later on I can add a external amp for a little more power. I thought about adding the bic f12 because of every ones advice. I've also thought why not spend a little more for something hsu or another brand. I'm going to ned thought on sub also with current setup. My set up will be for movies and games but some music. Any advice will be great. I'm sending this on my phone and ok probably leaving somethings out but I'll answer any questions. Budget wise receiver would ng no more than 350 and sub no more than 400. Thank you.
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Anyone? I know how threads get pushed back around here
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Anyone? I know how threads get pushed back around here

Put the Panasonic sats in a closet.

Yamaha 667, is a nice receiver option
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V667...9151252&sr=8-1

I will save the under $500 subs for others to reccomend. I would prefer
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I would follow his/her advice and put the panasonic speakers away. I may be wrong but something tells me they are probably 3 or 4omhs. Most receivers will not be able to push them properly if at all.

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HSU has some good 10" subs, but whether or not they will work for your room depends on the total room size including any open areas. Click on the loudness icon with the VTF-1 product page, and you'll see it's only recommended up to 3,000 cubic feet. If you are close to that or have more, you'll need a 12" sub, such as what zieglj01 mentioned.

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Always a good idea to get a receiver with front-channel pre-outs in case you want that added power some day.

Rythmic FV12 sub for $499; good investment.





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I just would like to start off with a big thanks on all the advice I've gotten already. I just bought a pair of monitor 70 and a cs2 recently. I was going to buy a pair of polk satellites also but I have two pair of panasonic satellites that I can use from my previous set up. You can find them here. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0038K..._d_detail?pd=1 I'm just wondering if they will do ok with the fronts I have now? Also I've been looking for a decent receiver. The one I have in mind is the vsx 1021. Id like a 7.1 setup..also would like pre outs so that later on I can add a external amp for a little more power. I thought about adding the bic f12 because of every ones advice. I've also thought why not spend a little more for something hsu or another brand. I'm going to ned thought on sub also with current setup. My set up will be for movies and games but some music. Any advice will be great. I'm sending this on my phone and ok probably leaving somethings out but I'll answer any questions. Budget wise receiver would ng no more than 350 and sub no more than 400. Thank you.

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Put the Panasonic sats in a closet.

Yamaha 667, is a nice receiver option
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V667...9151252&sr=8-1

I will save the under $500 subs for others to reccomend. I would prefer
something like Rythmik, Epik, Outlaw or HSU for around the $500 mark.

I've seen that receiver a few times but always passed it by. I didn't see anything about hdmi pass through or net work capabilities? Also don't know much about how that yamaha adjust the speakers and if it will correct the sub?
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I would follow his/her advice and put the panasonic speakers away. I may be wrong but something tells me they are probably 3 or 4omhs. Most receivers will not be able to push them properly if at all.

cheers

Thanks, I don't think I would have ever thought about that. that yamaha receiver mentioned above its suppose to be able to run 4omhs. I seen some satellites at BB the other day that were 100 for the pair. I think the brand was polk. I'll have to look in to those. Nice look to them. I think the tops came to a point. Any one know what I'm talking about?
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HSU has some good 10" subs, but whether or not they will work for your room depends on the total room size including any open areas. Click on the loudness icon with the VTF-1 product page, and you'll see it's only recommended up to 3,000 cubic feet. If you are close to that or have more, you'll need a 12" sub, such as what zieglj01 mentioned.

I looked at the vtf line. Looks promising. I also noticed the stf line. Looks like the price difference is about 100 when comparing the vtf 1 and the stf 1. I have to figure out my living room size. I think out was 26 by 23. In feet.
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Always a good idea to get a receiver with front-channel pre-outs in case you want that added power some day.

Rythmic FV12 sub for $499; good investment.

How do I know if the receiver has pre outs if it don't say it? That yamaha mentioned above doesn't day anything about pre outs but it has a zone 2 and it had that area in the front with a hdmi in and 3 inputs. Works this receiver have what I would need to add a second amp?
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Ok, I've read your advice and now have some questions. Thank you everyone for the quick replies.
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I wouldn't stress about pre-outs in your receiver budget range. Look at a wide range of features and consider that a plus if you happen to get it.

In your budget range, I would get the Denon 1612 (supposedly electronics expo might deal on price) because of Audyssey MultiEQ. It's the only room correction software in your budget range that will EQ the sub and improve its in room response. That would be worth more to me with your budget than getting pre-outs in case you just might spend $800 on a 3 channel amp one day to get more volume. A lot of people are satisfied with the power output of the receivers you are looking at.

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I looked at the vtf line. Looks promising. I also noticed the stf line. Looks like the price difference is about 100 when comparing the vtf 1 and the stf 1. I have to figure out my living room size. I think out was 26 by 23. In feet.

Then those won't certainly be big enough since that puts you well over 4,000 cubic feet if you have 8ft ceilings. You'll minimally need something like the VTF-2 MK4, Epik Legend, or Rythmik FV12.

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I've seen that receiver a few times but always passed it by. I didn't see anything about hdmi pass through or net work capabilities? Also don't know much about how that yamaha adjust the speakers and if it will correct the sub?

I am not saying do not buy the Pioneer - your post was a little
vague. If you want network, then pass this up.
The Yamaha has pass through, pre outs, zone 2, up conversion
and has YPAO sound set up, I do not rate or care about different
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I am not saying do not buy the Pioneer - your post was a little
vague. If you want network, then pass this up.
The Yamaha has pass through, pre outs, zone 2, up conversion
and has YPAO sound set up, I do not rate or care about different
speaker set ups.

I was simply asking about the ypao in my earlier post to you. I just couldn't remember the name or what to call it. I'll look into ypao to see if it adjust sub.
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I was simply asking about the ypao in my earlier post to you. I just couldn't remember the name or what to call it. I'll look into ypao to see if it adjust sub.

It will set the sub channel level, the phase, distance--that kind of thing. But, as I understand it, only the models that have YPAO Sound Optimization with Multi-Point will EQ the sub to improve the frequency response. I don't think the 667 has that, but I could easily be wrong.

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I wouldn't stress about pre-outs in your receiver budget range. Look at a wide range of features and consider that a plus if you happen to get it.

In your budget range, I would get the Denon 1612 (supposedly electronics expo might deal on price) because of Audyssey MultiEQ. It's the only room correction software in your budget range that will EQ the sub and improve its in room response. That would be worth more to me with your budget than getting pre-outs in case you just might spend $800 on a 3 channel amp one day to get more volume. A lot of people are satisfied with the power output of the receivers you are looking at.

Thanks, I'll look into that receiver now. I guess I wont stress on the preouts this time around with my small budget.
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Then those won't certainly be big enough since that puts you well over 4,000 cubic feet if you have 8ft ceilings. You'll minimally need something like the VTF-2 MK4, Epik Legend, or Rythmik FV12.

Im going to report back with how big my room is
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Thanks, I'll look into that receiver now. I guess I wont stress on the preouts this time around with my small budget.

Here's a description of the different Denon models, in case that helps.

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Here's a description of the different Denon models, in case that helps.

Thank you. I'm going to look at it. I found the receiver for 298.00 but it's not a online business I familiar with... http://www.ibuysonline.com/products/...7c4635_a_7c747
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Yeah. I wouldn't buy from just anyone. Try calling both Electronics Expo and the AV Science store that is part of AVS and see if either can give you a deal. Both of those have good reputations, as well as Accessories4less who sells factory refurbished/factory warrantied Denons.

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Im going to report back with how big my room is

Ok looks like my living room is 24 feet by 17 feet with 8 foot ceilings. So I think it goes 288X204=58752/12=4896 square feet. Is that right?
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Ok looks like my living room is 24 feet by 17 feet with 8 foot ceilings. So I think it goes 288X204=58752/12=4896 square feet. Is that right?

24 * 17 * 8 is 3264 cubic feet.

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24 * 17 * 8 is 3264 cubic feet.

looks like my room is a little over the three thousand mark. I think that the VTF-1 is going to have to do though. I should get good bass.
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looks like my room is a little over the three thousand mark. I think that the VTF-1 is going to have to do though. I should get good bass.

Maybe. If it were me, I'd look at the PA-150. See this thread and ask questions there. It doesn't have as flat a response as the HSU and the HSU might have a little tighter bass, but it will have significantly more output at the same price range. Did you say you are in a basement, which means cement floors? Lot of times, that challenges a sub more.

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Maybe. If it were me, I'd look at the PA-150. See this thread and ask questions there. It doesn't have as flat a response as the HSU and the HSU might have a little tighter bass, but it will have significantly more output at the same price range. Did you say you are in a basement, which means cement floors? Lot of times, that challenges a sub more.

It's going in my living room. Cement floors but with padding and carpet. I'll look into the PA 150. I tried finding videos on youtube of the hsu vtf1 but the only thing that comes up is a 15 inch sub. IDK.
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But, as I understand it, only the models that have YPAO Sound Optimization with Multi-Point will EQ the sub to improve the frequency response. I don't think the 667 has that, but I could easily be wrong.

No, it does not.

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It's going in my living room. Cement floors but with padding and carpet. I'll look into the PA 150. I tried finding videos on youtube of the hsu vtf1 but the only thing that comes up is a 15 inch sub. IDK.

Here's the owners thread for the PA-120, the smaller 12" version, and there are some people that talk about the PA-150 within it.

YouTube videos???

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It's going in my living room. Cement floors but with padding and carpet. I'll look into the PA 150. I tried finding videos on youtube of the hsu vtf1 but the only thing that comes up is a 15 inch sub. IDK.

Please, let me reiterate what cel4145 said "Youtube vidoe"?? Do not judge anything in any way, shape or form on Youtube besides visuals. I will repeat if you need me to.
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