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I currently have Athena AS-F1 fronts with an AS-C1 center running off a Marantz SR6006. I can get the Polks for about $500 a pair and the Energys for about $400. There is no store in my area that has these on display so I can't demo either of them. I'm looking for opinions on which would be the better choice. Are either a good upgrade from my Athena's?

I plan to purchase the matching center for whichever ones I buy. My room is about 13'x25'x9' and we sit about 11'-12' away from the tv/speakers.

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70/30 movies, tv, gaming / music

I had been contemplating getting a new sub instead, but was thinking that maybe a new front soundstage might be better. Any suggestions are welcome.

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I currently have Athena AS-F1 fronts with an AS-C1 center running off a Marantz SR6006. I can get the Polks for about $500 a pair and the Energys for about $400. There is no store in my area that has these on display so I can't demo either of them. I'm looking for opinions on which would be the better choice. Are either a good upgrade from my Athena's?

I plan to purchase the matching center for whichever ones I buy. My room is about 13'x25'x9' and we sit about 11'-12' away from the tv/speakers.

Equipment used:
Marantz SR6006
Athena AS-F1 fronts
Athena C1 center
Speakercraft Aimwide rears
JBL PB12 + E250 subs

70/30 movies, tv, gaming / music

I had been contemplating getting a new sub instead, but was thinking that maybe a new front soundstage might be better. Any suggestions are welcome.

Id say look at the rc line instead of the cf

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Id say look at the rc line instead of the cf

I checked them out. They're out of my price range.

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I checked them out. They're out of my price range.

so Is $500 your budget then for the front speakers? If so have you looked at EMP tek yet? just to through one more option out there for you.

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so Is $500 your budget then for the front speakers? If so have you looked at EMP tek yet? just to through one more option out there for you.


I'd say the budget for the fronts would be about $600 (not including the center) which is why I chose these two particular models as they seemed the best I could find in my price range. This is with a discount I'm getting from the vendor.

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RTiA9's for $500 seems like a really good price.

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Ditto. I'd be all over the Polks.

IMO if you liked the sound of the Teteron tweeter you will like the Polk tweeter. And the bass with the 9s is ri-donc-ulous. Give them room. And you will have several choices of excellent Polk CCs later on.




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RTI A9s for $500 for a PAIR?? That's a ridiculously good price. Almost sounds too good to be true! They go for around $750 for a single speaker on Amazon.

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Sounds like he's looking at used or demos but wants to audition them at stores before pulling the trigger. If not, he has got a special connection to an alternate audio universe I wouldn't mind sharing.




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RTI A9s for $500 for a PAIR?? That's a ridiculously good price. Almost sounds too good to be true! They go for around $750 for a single speaker on Amazon.


And the lowest they go on newegg at sale time is $500 a peice. New they sell them for $899 each.

I'm guessing there is a model number mix up. RTI A9's are beeeaauutiful.. I wouldn't even have to think about it if it were me and if that's really what he's getting them for.
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Yeah, A9's at that price are a great deal! I own a pair with the CSiA6, best upgrade I've made to my system since I got my Epik!

Once you have those big A9's warmed up a bit, the bass from those beasts are right there. I set mine to full band when in 2ch mode with no sub.

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Ditto. I'd be all over the Polks.

IMO if you liked the sound of the Teteron tweeter you will like the Polk tweeter. And the bass with the 9s is ri-donc-ulous. Give them room. And you will have several choices of excellent Polk CCs later on.

Thank you to everyone for the responses! This post is what sold me as I do like the sound of the Teteron tweeters in my Athena's, but just feel as though they are a LITTLE lacking on the midrange. I wasn't thinking about upgrading until I saw the awesome deal they were offering.

I'll be pulling the trigger on the A9's plus an A6 center. They are brand new, coming straight from Polk. Price is due to a discount offered to my employer. I'm on a very tight budget but feel like $670 for the 3 of them is too good to pass up. I just needed to hear from others (especially those with experience w/ Polk) that they are worth the upgrade. This will be my very first experience with them (previous speakers were Athena, JBL, Pioneer, Fisher and DCM). I'm thinking of upgrading my subs also. Been looking at the Epik Legend and Empire, and the SVS PB12-NSD. Does anyone with experience know if ONE of these subs would be better than running the TWO I currently use?

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Yeah, A9's at that price are a great deal! I own a pair with the CSiA6, best upgrade I've made to my system since I got my Epik!

Once you have those big A9's warmed up a bit, the bass from those beasts are right there. I set mine to full band when in 2ch mode with no sub.

AWESOME speakers!!

May I ask which Epik you got and what did you upgrade from? Also, what speakers were you using before the Polks?

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Been looking at the Epik Legend and Empire, and the SVS PB12-NSD. Does anyone with experience know if ONE of these subs would be better than running the TWO I currently use?

All three of those subs will be better than your JBL PB-12 and E250.

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May I ask which Epik you got and what did you upgrade from? Also, what speakers were you using before the Polks?

Of course! I have the empire, one heavy hitter of a sub. Upgraded from an Onkyo sub from the SKS-HT870 series, 10 driver and an Energy sub, 8" driver, both down fireing subs with front fireing ports.

This on sub alone smashes the performance of the previous two, no comparison.

I started with the Onkyo 7.1 speaker system mentioned, then upgraded to Polk's Monitor Series II; 70, 40, 30 and CS2. I thought the Monitors were a huge upgrade over the Onks, the RTiA's are a huge upgrade over the M's.

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All three of those subs will be better than your JBL PB-12 and E250.

Thanks for the feedback! I wasn't sure because I've read that 2 subs are better than one. I have the right amount of SPL from my subs, they just don't play low enough (31hz, 33hz). So any one of these will be able to replace BOTH my current ones with better quality? That's my only concern, I want tighter bass and my current setup brings the rumble hard (though a little sloppy sounding) but not accurately enough for my tastes. Any suggestions on which offers the best bang for my buck?



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Of course! I have the empire, one heavy hitter of a sub. Upgraded from an Onkyo sub from the SKS-HT870 series, 10 driver and an Energy sub, 8" driver, both down fireing subs with front fireing ports.

This on sub alone smashes the performance of the previous two, no comparison.

I started with the Onkyo 7.1 speaker system mentioned, then upgraded to Polk's Monitor Series II; 70, 40, 30 and CS2. I thought the Monitors were a huge upgrade over the Onks, the RTiA's are a huge upgrade over the M's.

Thanks for the feedback, it's much appreciated!

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Thanks for the feedback! I wasn't sure because I've read that 2 subs are better than one. I have the right amount of SPL from my subs, they just don't play low enough (31hz, 33hz). So any one of these will be able to replace BOTH my current ones with better quality? That's my only concern, I want tighter bass and my current setup brings the rumble hard (though a little sloppy sounding) but not accurately enough for my tastes. Any suggestions on which offers the best bang for my buck?

I'd go with the Empire or the PB12-NSD. You can see their max output frequency response in this table.

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I'd go with the Empire or the PB12-NSD. You can see their max output frequency response in this table.

Thanks a lot! I guess I'll eliminate the Legend and focus on these two. Just gotta decide if the Empire is worth the extra $140 over the SVS.

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I'd go with the Empire or the PB12-NSD. You can see their max output frequency response in this table.

Wow, thanks for the link, it looks like the Empire blows the PB12-NSD away in all three catagories.

Just because I own one (empire) doesn't mean I'm all happy about it.

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I have CF-70s and love them for a budget floorstander. My room is an open living/kitchen/dining room thats about 30x30 with 15ft cathedral ceilings and the CF70s do quite well for me.
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The A9's are STILL on backorder, Polk says it'll be that way through at least the middle of May. I am getting very impatient (especially since getting my new sub) and am now considering the A7's as they are available now.

My question is this: is there a big enough difference between the two to warrant waiting it out? Its only about a $90 difference (each) so money is not the problem, just the long wait. Plus, they were supposed to be available last week but were pushed back (for the second time) so I'm worried there might be another delay.

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The Polk Audio RTi A9 is a very good option

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The A9's are a better all around speaker then the A7, I would wait.
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You might be able to get a good deal on the A7 but IHMO they are lacking in midrange. The A9 is much better in this regard.

My review comparisons of Energy RC-70s to Veritas V6.3 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21199418
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Thanks for the responses! I will wait for the A9's to become available. I am looking for better mids compared to my current setup so A7's don't sound like they will be worth the upgrade. Thanks again!

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A9s are on sale at Newegg for $499.99 each and free shipping. But, this is for the Black ones. Not sure if you are looking for cherry.

Anyway, here is the link:

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I'm pretty sure I know what employer you work for and I ended up going with the A7's since I recently moved to another company. The A6 also isn't available in black right now, so I went with the A4 for the center. Hopefully I dont regret that decision. Good luck with your decision, as I had a hard time picking between the A7 and CF70.
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A9's are finally available! I've been doing research and the only problem I have is that a lot of reviews state that the A9's need a separate amp to run well. A separate amp just isn't in the budget (baby on the way) so my SR6006 will be the only power source. I would bi-amp them since I am only using 5.1 currently. Would that be enough power or should I just settle for the A7's?

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I would recommend the A9s

Speakers tend to outlast other components in the system. You can always get the amp later if needed and/or desired.

Even if you decide to go a different route in the future, you would likely get a better resale margin from the A9s than the A7s. More so the cost saving dont seem significant imo.
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thanks to everyone for the replys! i decided to go with the A9's and the CSi A6, a little more than i wanted to spend after shipping ($813) but i trust the advice on these boards.

now i'm just worried about powering them. i have a SVS PB12-NSD so i plan on crossing them over at 60hz. i'm worried that my SR6006 wont be able to push them properly and was wondering would bi-amping help or hurt? also, any recommendations on a decent amp, preferably less than $350?

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