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post #871 of 998 Old 04-26-2012, 05:25 PM
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Biggest myths in audio that tick you off/General things in audio that tick you off.

Axioms pseudo science approach to speaker design.

- No need for proper cabinet bracing

- Comb filtering is a good thing

- Don't need high quality Xover components

- midrange break up is ok (M60)

- off axis response isn't important (VP150)

- Axiom only knows how to perform a DBT

- A $1500 speaker is as good as it gets any thing more is just similarily good.

Yeah Axiom scares me.
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Agreed. The magazines serve the industry, not their readership, though I'm sure they'll argue otherwise. Instead of being fair-minded critics and observers of the industry they cover, they act as cheerleaders.

Magazines serve their advertisers. Sometimes, depending on the size of the ad, the industry benefits.

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Magazines serve their advertisers. ...

True, but in what other types of magazines is it so difficult to distinguish the ads from the articles?

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True, but in what other types of magazines is it so difficult to distinguish the ads from the articles?

Car magazines, bike magazines, etc

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Car magazines, bike magazines, etc

Perhaps. I don't spend much time looking at those, admittedly, but in the few times I've looked through car magazines, I've seen lots of face-offs/shootouts, where they take several cars in a certain price range, then present measurements and write-ups, and finally they will rank the cars in order of the editors preference. I never see that in audio magazines.

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Yeah Axiom scares me.

I hate that myth too, that people should be afraid of Axiom.
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Do you recall what amps they were using when they got those MIT's, Rutgar?

Classe Monos?
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"Lightly used in a smoke free environment".

No one in my home smokes, and my gear sees only light use. An example representative of the mileage on my gear is my Sony VPL-VW50 purchased in April of 2007 with 750 hours on the original lamp. The audio side of my theater may have seen 50% more use over the same period. However, I haven't had a single component all that time. I've had 1 receiver, 3 processors, amps and source components. I think I've been through 4 pairs of speakers. I know that is probably on the low side of average usage, but certainly not by an order of magnitude, or even half.

I propose that a majority of enthusiasts switch out components often, they take care of the gear they have, and about 2 in 10 of American males smoke. I disagree this is a myth.
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No serious audiophile would have a system with drivers over 7" in size. They don't make them for a reason! Always stick with the cheap stuff, they know big speakers!!!
http://www.stereophile.com/content/scintillating-scaena

Wow that's some expensive gear.
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I propose that a majority of enthusiasts switch out components often, they take care of the gear they have, and about 2 in 10 of American males smoke. I disagree this is a myth.

I completely agree. Especially about the part of switching out components often. I fondly call this endeavor "Chasing Unicorns". Which I partake in sometimes too much!

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If you have ever seen the inside of a piece of electronics from a house of a smoker, you will be happy to buy things from a smoke free environment.
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Myth: That RCA outputs from a CD player sound much better than digital... while using bass management on the receiver to send the bass to a sub.

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People geT their systems and turn up every thing to max. Wow,this sounds great
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"Coaxial and Optical Sound Different Bro"

"foobar sounds better than iTunes"
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"foobar sounds better than iTunes"

Umm, sorry, but that's no myth.

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Umm, sorry, but that's no myth.

+1 iTunes is LACKLUSTER!

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Receiver: Marantz SR6004
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Perhaps. I don't spend much time looking at those, admittedly, but in the few times I've looked through car magazines, I've seen lots of face-offs/shootouts, where they take several cars in a certain price range, then present measurements and write-ups, and finally they will rank the cars in order of the editors preference. I never see that in audio magazines.

Actually I have seen quite a few face offs in audio mags. Sound & Vision recently compared budget receivers and hifi choice mag always has group reviews that put speakers, amps, etc. through a thorough comparison. A lot of mags use to do face offs even blind test groups, this was a regular thing many years ago in htmagazine. But people complained about all the face offs and didnt like the fact that these editors were picking a winner and on the appearence devaluing other brands by in essence picking a loser as well as winner. Most mags have gotten away from these face offs as part of a regular feature, but there are still quite a few that do face offs in almost every issue and hifi choice is one of those magazines.
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Umm, sorry, but that's no myth.

How so? I'm curious since nearly my entire CD collection is ripped in ALAC lol

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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If you have ever seen the inside of a piece of electronics from a house of a smoker, you will be happy to buy things from a smoke free environment.

I got a Legacy center channel once that was used in a smoker's house with a pet dog. Ohh I was glad I was able to resell it...
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How so? I'm curious since nearly my entire CD collection is ripped in ALAC lol

So iTunes is better than foobar2000 because your collection is in ALAC? Okey dokey.

I would presume you've done a comparison since you've listed this as a myth. Let's hear about it.

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So iTunes is better than foobar2000 because your collection is in ALAC? Okey dokey.

You should tell him about Foobar + Asio4All to enlighten him a bit... Then again why ruin someone's time consuming collecting effort. Ignorance = Bliss.
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John Atkinson of Stereophile once claimed that he could hear the audible difference made by an LP demagnetizer from another room, saying that "there's more bass!".

If you read what was written at the link, you will note that I didn't make any such claim. What happened was I heard a difference between two presentations of the same recording under blind conditions. Yes, it turned out that the LP had been "demagnetized" in between the 2 presentations. So, there are 2 facts involved: a) I heard a difference and b) the LP was "demagnetized"; but there are at least 3 possible explanations for my having heard a difference, only one of which involved the "demagnetization."

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So iTunes is better than foobar2000 because your collection is in ALAC? Okey dokey.

I would presume you've done a comparison since you've listed this as a myth. Let's hear about it.

Wow you got a chip on your shoulder ? I was just asking how its better. Didn't say itunes was better now did I?

Either way you still didn't explain why its better lol. If its a reasonable explanation I'm willing to to change

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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You know what I apologize if my last post was a bit offensive. Just not in a good mood today (little sleep and lots of work).

Nethawk / veda, what I meant in my original posts was that my entire collection is in itunes and it would've be a shame if you proved foobar was better! (For me since id have to try to switch over to it). So once again I apologize if you took it the wrong way. I do look forward to hearing why foobar is better.

Btw it wasn't me he listed it as a myth hah

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"Coaxial and Optical Sound Different Bro"

"foobar sounds better than iTunes"

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Umm, sorry, but that's no myth.

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How so? I'm curious since nearly my entire CD collection is ripped in ALAC lol

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So iTunes is better than foobar2000 because your collection is in ALAC? Okey dokey.

I would presume you've done a comparison since you've listed this as a myth. Let's hear about it.

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You should tell him about Foobar + Asio4All to enlighten him a bit... Then again why ruin someone's time consuming collecting effort. Ignorance = Bliss.

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Wow you got a chip on your shoulder ? I was just asking how its better. Didn't say itunes was better now did I?

Either way you still didn't explain why its better lol. If its a reasonable explanation I'm willing to to change

Interesting quote from Foobar2000's FAQ

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Does foobar2000 sound better than other players?

No. Most of sound quality differences people hear are placebo effect (at least with real music), as actual differences in produced sound data are below their noise floor (1 or 2 last bits in 16bit samples). foobar2000 has sound processing features such as software resampling or 24bit output on new high-end soundcards, but most of the other mainstream players are capable of doing the same by now.

When I was researching using my computer as music source, it seemed the sound quality had to do with how the computer handled the music once it left the player; is it sending it out unaltered or is some kind of processing being applied?). It was my understanding that most computers perform some kind of processing, which can reduce AQ, to the signal unless you use a driver like Asio4All or Kernel Streaming that bypasses processing by Windows, etc.

So it seems there are AQ differences, but it may not be due to the player.

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Interesting quote from Foobar2000's FAQ

When I was researching using my computer as music source, it seemed the sound quality had to do with how the computer handled the music once it left the player; is it sending it out unaltered or is some kind of processing being applied?). It was my understanding that most computers perform some kind of processing, which can reduce AQ, to the signal unless you use a driver like Asio4All or Kernel Streaming that bypasses processing by Windows, etc.

So it seems there are AQ differences, but it may not be due to the player.

Could waspi have anything to do with it
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No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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Could waspi have anything to do with it
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I believe WASPI bypasses processing like the others I mentioned, so using it may also result in better AQ.

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I believe WASPI bypasses processing like the others I mentioned, so using it may also result in better AQ.

So if the windows volume has no effect on volume when I change it am I doing it "right"?

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

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So if the windows volume has no effect on volume when I change it am I doing it "right"?

My guess would be yes, but I'm an amateur when it comes to computer audio. Check out this link an AudioCircle. It has alot of great info on computer audio.

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=91971.0

Sorry for taking this thread off track. I'll stop posting about this here.

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