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Is this what you're talking about?:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/carver-challenge

I hadnr seen that website, but pretty sure that was the case in question.
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Didn't know then man but spoke with someone who did. Comments were basically that he was arrogant. Seems that maybe he walked the talk. As I said, I thought his Sunfire Sig amps were great.

The more correct you are the more arrogant you will be called whether you are arrogant or not.

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a 5.1 for that price is not a step in the right direction. The right direction is a decent T-Amp or used stereo receiver, plus a pair of half-decent speakers (like the recent cheapo Pioneer bookshelves) in 2.0

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The more correct you are the more arrogant you will be called whether you are arrogant or not.

The "I trust my ears" audiophile doesn't like it when some else questions their own experience. For any outsider to attempt to present independent information which might counter and thereby diminish that personal experience, the challenger will be labeled, "arrogant".

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The "I trust my ears" audiophile doesn't like it when some else questions their own experience. For any outsider to attempt to present independent information which might counter and thereby diminish that personal experience, the challenger will be labeled, "arrogant".


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The "I trust my ears" audiophile doesn't like it when some else questions their own experience. For any outsider to attempt to present independent information which might counter and thereby diminish that personal experience, the challenger will be labeled, "arrogant".

That is not a myth...it is true that people who say what you like cannot be what you like because a piece of paper says you cannot like it are routinely labeled as arrogent.

But that is because they say their paper is more imporant than your ears and therefor you are wrong since their paper says you must be.
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Well, it would be silly to accept something just on the basis of it being documented "on paper", nor would anyone argue that they should. The mere fact of documentation doesn't and shouldn't pull any weight, of course, but the quality of the content should be seriously considered. Even if it may fly in the face of your own experience. But most won't seriously consider it because they hold their own personal experience as sacrosanct. But in the grand scheme of things, independent knowledge, data, etc., is often much more reliable than personal experience.

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That is not a myth...it is true that people who say what you like cannot be what you like because a piece of paper says you cannot like it are routinely labeled as arrogent.

But that is because they say their paper is more imporant than your ears and therefor you are wrong since their paper says you must be.

Kind of like when the JW's or Mormons come around. It's always a hoot. At least they have the common sense to say they take it on faith and I am good with that. It's a reasonable position and shows that they are not diss-associative.

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Is this what you're talking about?:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/carver-challenge

Seriously? Are they talking about Amps or Wines?

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We were pleasantly surprised. The Carver amp had none of the usual "mass-fi" solid-state hardness, but was, in fact, very listenable, with good depth, quite good detail, and only a modicum of that high-end dryness and laid-back midrange which characterize medium-priced solid-state amps.

The one thing I take away from the Carver challenge is the admission that Amps do sound different. Whether it is good or bad is not the question, but they do sound different.
Is it possible to reduce or eliminate the differences? Yes. But do competing Amp companies do that or actually try to differentiate themselves from the competition?
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Seriously? Are they talking about Amps or Wines?



The one thing I take away from the Carver challenge is the admission that Amps do sound different. Whether it is good or bad is not the question, but they do sound different.
Is it possible to reduce or eliminate the differences? Yes. But do competing Amp companies do that or actually try to differentiate themselves from the competition?

You're not questioning one of Stereophile's highly subjective reviews are you?
One of my favorite tweaks was their place 2 coins(1each) on the front corners of a speaker to improve the sound, it was from the early 90's I think.
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Kind of like when the JW's or Mormons come around. It's always a hoot. At least they have the common sense to say they take it on faith and I am good with that. It's a reasonable position and shows that they are not diss-associative.

Mormon's once came to my door. When I told them I was an atheist they said "Oh, dear lord."

I thought it was rather funny.

I have nothing against Mormons. I very much dislike the Mormon religion as a whole for a few reasons. One of them being their MAJOR funding of Prop 8 in a state they have few people in. I strongly dislike any organization that promotes hate and inequality.

For the record a close friend of mine is a Mormon.

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All amplifiers do NOT sound the same. Anyone that believes that has never heard a DarTZeel next to Parasound Halo JC-1's. The JC-1's are phenomenal amps... But they are no DarTZeel.


I agree with you! I was almost lynched a few pages back for making that same statement!
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You're not questioning one of Stereophile's highly subjective reviews are you?
One of my favorite tweaks was their place 2 coins(1each) on the front corners of a speaker to improve the sound, it was from the early 90's I think.

How about this?
#1. Placing a 3" steel saucer over the center of the speaker?
#2. Painting a paper cone woofer with light coat of clear Polyurethane?

As a kid, I have tried some of those, but with disastrous results, especially #2 as the amp was way underpowered to drive any sound from the speaker after the coating
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You're not questioning one of Stereophile's highly subjective reviews are you?
One of my favorite tweaks was their place 2 coins(1each) on the front corners of a speaker to improve the sound, it was from the early 90's I think.

Kinda like the Totem 'Beaks'?
http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics...io/551090.html
Really?
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Kinda like the Totem 'Beaks'?
http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics...io/551090.html
Really?

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Too funny Bill! You can get a lot of mileage out of that one.

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Mormon's once came to my door. When I told them I was an atheist they said "Oh, dear lord."

I thought it was rather funny.

I have nothing against Mormons. I very much dislike the Mormon religion as a whole for a few reasons. One of them being their MAJOR funding of Prop 8 in a state they have few people in. I strongly dislike any organization that promotes hate and inequality.

For the record a close friend of mine is a Mormon.

They would come to my door every year. The last time they did I greeted them just as the dear lord would like - buck nekkid. Funny but they never returned.

My wife's family are Mormons but that doesn't stop me from talking about my gay friends.

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Kinda like the Totem 'Beaks'?
http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics...io/551090.html
Really?

This was my favorite:

The hollowed out underside collects the "parasitic vibrations" then channels it out through the beak.

Parasitic vibrations? Can't you just lay an antibiotic on top of your speaker and achieve the same result? Just thinking out loud here.

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They would come to my door every year. The last time they did I greeted them just as the dear lord would like - buck nekkid. Funny but they never returned.

BAHAHAHAHAHHAHA Now THAT is funny!!

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My wife's family are Mormons but that doesn't stop me from talking about my gay friends.

That's the spirit!!
Gotta give the Mormons credit, at least in 1978 god changed his mind about black people!

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This was my favorite:

The hollowed out underside collects the "parasitic vibrations" then channels it out through the beak.

Parasitic vibrations? Can't you just lay an antibiotic on top of your speaker and achieve the same result? Just thinking out loud here.

What's worse is that the doofus doesn't realize that if his speaker is vibrating it's defective.

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Dmitchell posted on Sunday, February 15, 2009 - 07:55 am
I find it hard to believe myself, but a lot of Totem owners swear by the beaks.

When I listen to my Sttafs at moderate levels I can put my hand on top of them and feel quite a bit of resonance on the cabinet. Perhaps the beaks help by dampening or channelling this resonance?

seriously? In all these years of owning speakers, I have never had any speaker cabinet resonate that I can feel. What kind of crappy speakers does he use anyways?
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When I place my hand on top of my Sttafs they vibrate at higher listening levels as well. At these levels the Beaks really vibrate as well. I'm assuming that this vibration with in the Beaks them selves is the channeling and elimination of some of the cabinet resonances.

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I'm saving now for beaks and cable risers!
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Wow! You'll surely hear God with that setup. Or is that the Mormons at the front door?
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What's worse is that the doofus doesn't realize that if his speaker is vibrating it's defective.

Nahhh, it's a feature!

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when the going gets tough, the cabinet also participates in the sound production process, thereby increasing the efficiency of the speaker at higher volumes
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seriously? In all these years of owning speakers, I have never had any speaker cabinet resonate that I can feel. What kind of crappy speakers does he use anyways?

Are you kidding? I bet half the speakers out there cannot even pass the cursory "rapp on the knuckles" test.
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I agree with you! I was almost lynched a few pages back for making that same statement!

I didn't see it that way. I think people are going to ask the conditions that the A/B was done in. Sorry but controls and method has to be in place.

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Are you kidding? I bet half the speakers out there cannot even pass the cursory "rapp on the knuckles" test.

You wrap on your speakers with your knuckles? You know that puts negative energy into your speakers, and make them sound bad with anything but heavy metal and gansta rap...
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