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Hello, I've recently caught the upgrade bug and was considering upgrading my front 3 speakers L/R/C. These would be going into a living room setup, so I'm looking for the best sound I can get that can also pass the GAF (this is much less important than the sound haha).
My current front 3 are the infinity p362 L/R and p350 center, which according to some people in the house are the ugliest speakers ever created (what does she know, I think they look fine).

Anyway, my budget is around $1500 for the three speakers
Room 20x15 with 10' ceilings
Listening habits, 90% HT, 10% music
I'm not married to floorstanders or bookshelves, just want the best speakers I can afford, my sub is pretty good so going bookshelves wouldn't be a problem for me. They will be paired with the following,
onkyo 609, and epik empire sub

Speakers I've heard good things about that are on my current list:
Seirra-1s
PSB Image T5 or T6

I found a local dealer that carries PSB speakers so I will go audition those, are there any others that I should add to my list? Any advice is greatly appreciated.
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These look great and will come in a little under budget.

http://emptek.com/MarchMadness.php
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Focal, Dali, Monitor Audio, Are all great speakers and will do great for what you want.

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I'd stretch to $1600 and buy a pair of Philharmonic 1s. Save up some more money and then get his CC speaker (not on the website, but I think it's <1k).
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Thanks for the replies guys,
The emptek speakers do look nice, but I'm wondering if that will be a large upgrade from what I currently have sound wise.

Callas I will take a look at the offerring from those companies (Focal, Dali, Monitor Audio) to see what's in my price range from them and if I can find anybody selling them around my area that I can audition. Anyone else have any other suggestions?
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Paradigm is worth an audition while you are at it. Some dealers still have v6 of the monitor line that can be had for a nice discount.

Also look at the Ascend Acoustics CMT-340.

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CHT SHO-10's aren't real pretty, but they will kill most any of the other suggestions for HT.

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Paradigm is worth an audition while you are at it. Some dealers still have v6 of the monitor line that can be had for a nice discount.

Also look at the Ascend Acoustics CMT-340.

I would consider those over the sierra's in a room of your size.
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I will take a look at the offerring from those companies (Focal, Dali, Monitor Audio) to see what's in my price range from them and if I can find anybody selling them around my area that I can audition.

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90% HT? Go with PSB or Paradigm all the way! You won't regret it. Even Focal Chorus 800v line is too soft for HT if more accurate...
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So I've been researching this thanks again to all the replies.
Those vanns specials on the energy rc70 and center seem like a really great deal. Would the rc70 be a substantial upgrade vs my old infinity p362s?
Out of the
psb image t6 and center
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rc70 and center

Would one be more detailed than the other, better suited for HT?
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I was just in the same boat and I went allot over budget and went with the Monitor Audio RX8's with the matching center. You can get the Monitor Audio RX6's for $1250 a pair and the matching Center Channel is is $700, it would be a few hundred over budget, but worth it. You can also look at the Aperion Verus Forte. They are running $1100 a pair and the center is $350. This was my second choice before the RX8's. The Aperion is getting really good reviews.
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Would one be more detailed than the other, better suited for HT?

My experience with Energy for HT has been disastrous at least with the old Connoisseur series. I don't think their sound changed much since then. I don't think Energy's selling that well anymore thus probably the reason for the discount specials. The measured freq graph sucked big time as seen in this REVIEW. Probably because of the cheap kevlar woofers. PSB, Paradigm, and Monitor Audio have been proven to do HT quite well due to their dynamic nature. The Aperion doesn't go low enough for HT...

With HT you want high efficiency, 89+ at least. In this regard I'd recommend Crystal Acoustics TX-T2SE-BL. $849 for the main pair + the matching center $259. Those are THX Ultra2 certified and the specs confirmed it. 91dB sensitivity and 300W nominal run = 56% watts only at peak! Not sure about the freq response since they don't give a graph but they claimed 35-22 1.5+- which is damn flat and low enough. In your room you won't need a sub either once you get this. Here's a REVIEW.

If you're into music I'd recommend something else though...
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My experience with Energy for HT has been disastrous at least with the old Connoisseur series. I don't think their sound changed much since then. I don't think Energy's selling that well anymore thus probably the reason for the discount specials. The measured freq graph sucked big time as seen in this REVIEW. Probably because of the cheap kevlar woofers. PSB, Paradigm, and Monitor Audio have been proven to do HT quite well due to their dynamic nature. The Aperion doesn't go low enough for HT...
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That's a lot of excess mid-bass.
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I would KEF to the Paradigm and PSB recommendations. Also checkout the Goldenear speakers if you have a dealer near you.
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I'd stretch to $1600 and buy a pair of Philharmonic 1s. Save up some more money and then get his CC speaker (not on the website, but I think it's <1k).

Kind of blows his $1500 for all three Though I do think these are real nice but don't know if they as suited to HT as music.

In regards to the RC-70s they are quite different from the older Con series. I used to have these and are real nice and detailed. For HT a more forward and lively speaker may be better but depends on preference. In regards to the graph that is interesting but reviews from the same site http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/energy_rc70.htm give them a very favorable review and a reviewers choice recomendation. Actually most online review are very good. The RC series has been discountinued for awhile but Vanns.com has set up an exclusive agreement to have them built just for them. The RC-70s are on sale for $400 until tommorow and the RC-LCR is on for $250 so for $1050 free shipping and not tax this quite the deal for a front three. Lots of member with this set up in the energy thread if you want some impressions.

The other speakers suggestions are also good but you asked about the RC-70s so thought I would chime in.

My review comparisons of Energy RC-70s to Veritas V6.3 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21199418
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Charts are useful but I go with what they sound like. Similar charts don't mean similiar sound IMHO.
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Looks pretty similar to the C500

http://www.zaphaudio.com/C500.html


My review comparisons of Energy RC-70s to Veritas V6.3 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21199418
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Charts are useful but I go with what they sound like. Similar charts don't mean similiar sound IMHO.

I would agree with you if these weren't from the same company, filling the same price bracket...
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Another speaker set-up to look at are the Jamo C-807 L/R and the C80 center for $1,200 which is right on your budget range. I purchased that set-up from Vanns a few weeks ago and I'm very impressed with their sound. I believe that for the money, they're hard to beat.

The highs are detailed, no fatigue at all to my ears. The mids are very smooth and the bass is tight and deep. These are heavy and large speakers with the only minor negative being that they are covered in vinyl and not in veneer. But even they vinyl finish looks good. They are 6ohm and they need good power to make the most of them.
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I would agree with you if these weren't from the same company, filling the same price bracket...

The RC where over $1000 each for a long time (I paid alot more). Like I said they are discountinued but vanns has an exclusive arrangement for them. Not saying that the OP should get these but having owned them and reviews here and online they are an option. Having not owned the C series or had any serious exposuture to them (have heard them though) can't really comment on them. Why did you find them disastourous?

My review comparisons of Energy RC-70s to Veritas V6.3 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21199418
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The RC where over $1000 each for a long time (I paid alot more). Like I said they are discountinued but vanns has an exclusive arrangement for them. Not saying that the OP should get these but having owned them and reviews here and online they are an option. Having not owned the C series or had any serious exposuture to them (have heard them though) can't really comment on them. Why did you find them disastourous?

They just have a bloated lower midrange/midbass. In a large room away from boundaries these speakers might be fine. When reinforced by the room, it's excessive. This appears to be a common trait based on the two response graphs. This type of design gives the impression of powerful bass.
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None of these suggestions are ideal for HT except for the Chase SHO-10's. They are the most efficient and are the only ones that can easily hit reference levels without compressing or distorting.

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How about the ED Cinema series? People who have them love em. With the builder package you get 15% off, within your budget,
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Home Theater Direct Level 3

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I own them and could not be happier...
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None of these suggestions are ideal for HT except for the Chase SHO-10's. They are the most efficient and are the only ones that can easily hit reference levels without compressing or distorting.

Not even the THX certified Crystal Dynamics I told him to check out? And Chase doesn't have towers so he would have to add a sub.
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Home Theater Direct Level 3

Looked interesting until I see the sensitivity vs nominal watt. This won't do reference level (105dB) well...
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Not even the THX certified Crystal Dynamics I told him to check out? And Chase doesn't have towers so he would have to add a sub.

90% home theater and no sub? Wouldn't be an option for me with any mains in his budget. Or any budget.

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90% home theater and no sub? Wouldn't be an option for me with any mains in his budget. Or any budget.

I don't know of any speaker that can do reference or close to it to 10hz!

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Not even the THX certified Crystal Dynamics I told him to check out? And Chase doesn't have towers so he would have to add a sub.

The OP already has an Epik Empire
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