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post #61 of 73 Old 03-29-2012, 12:33 PM
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Just found this on the Axiom website...

http://axiomaudio.com/tips_center_channel_sound.html

Keeping in mind, that was written by Alan Lofft...who works for Axiom.

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post #62 of 73 Old 03-29-2012, 12:35 PM
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^ I realize that Alan works for Axiom. My reason for posting was that they tested the VP150 @the NRC and yet they let it out in the market? What gives?
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You would have thought when they decided on the design of the vp150 and tested it, that they might have said, ummm, this is not the best design and maybe we should rethink this rather than awwwww good enough, ship it out. And If someone complained about the performance of the vp150, then we could just tell them to run 2 vp150's and this would correct the problem.
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Yea...I wonder what happened to that engineer who came up with this design if it is so obviously flawed. Maybe he became President of the company

When you pose the question 'If it is so obviously flawed' you too could become president of a speaker company without knowing how speakers work. You wouldn't be the first. Not that the president of the company has to know how they work, he only has to be sure that his engineers do. In this case the speaker was not designed by a competent engineer. But it is pretty, and pretty is what sells most audio gear.

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When you pose the question 'If it is so obviously flawed' you too could become president of a speaker company without knowing how speakers work. You wouldn't be the first. Not that the president of the company has to know how they work, he only has to be sure that his engineers do. In this case the speaker was not designed by a competent engineer. But it is pretty, and pretty is what sells most audio gear.

I suspect that is just it (looks pretty). The speaker has a nice size since it does not have the traditional mid-range woofer below the tweeter so it is more compact. The three woofers and dual tweeters also look imposing, and as you say, pretty sells. And many people will think it sounds great and will be genuinely happy since it will sound better than their stock speakers in their HDTV, or in their $200 HTIB.

But if you setup a VP160 or other comparable center from another company and then listened (especially, off-axis) it would be obvious that there is an issue. But this is not some new breakthrough design, and reading how Axiom recommends placing one of these centers up high, and another one down low for a dual center system boggles my mind... It seems like something Bose would push....
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But it is pretty, and pretty is what sells most audio gear.

I thought it's the extreme ends of the numbers
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I have to admit that years and years ago before I knew anything about speakers, I found Axiom and remember thinking in my newbie mind, "Wow! Look at all those drivers and tweeters!" I was impressed. But then I found Mark Shifty and well I did have some nice Rockets to hold me over until I learned a thing or two.

So, yes, pretty sells as does lots of drivers and tweeters.
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So, yes, pretty sells as does lots of drivers and tweeters.

Auto sound is the worst in that respect. Chrome frames and sleek magnet covers don't make drivers sound better.

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Keeping in mind, that was written by Alan Lofft...who works for Axiom.

Yeah take what ever he says with a grain of salt. Especially when he posts stuff like this. With nothing to back it up.
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Yeah take what ever he says with a grain of salt. Especially when he posts stuff like this. With nothing to back it up.

You know it could be true depending the room and where he puts the Paradigms. (fueling the fire...)
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This is actually a pretty good article on horizontal speaker design and touches on comb filtering:

http://www.audioholics.com/education...hannel-speaker

Thanks for the link ack_bk, will give it a read on the way home tonight on the train. I've actually been curious about this subject.

If anyone has any other articles on speaker design for towers, please post them.
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I own a vp150 ( now sitting in a closet ) which was paired with some M80s.

Cut and dry the VP150 one of the worst centers ever. I replaced it with a boston acoustics VS 325c from vanns and its so much more clear and dynamic with fuller sound its gone so far passed not funny that it has came back around to funny.

No experiance with the vp160 though.

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Maybe all us dissatified VP150 owners can get together and stack them up and set them on fire and post it on youtube.

Just joking of course, I prefer to get alittle cash out of it on ebay or craigslist, they buy Bo$e like crazy i'm sure someone will want the VP150.
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