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I will be using this set up for 80% music and 20% games/movies. I want to hook up both my ps3/tv and my computer to it. I am 19 and listen to mostly rap or hip-hop (so lots of bass and loud). My room is 10 by 11 and 8 feet tall (small).

Here is the setup I'm looking at:
Receiver: Sony STRDH520 7.1 ($184.77)
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-STRDH520-...=1X32JMI6FPOZU

Front R/L speakers: Sony SS-B3000 ($71.42)
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SS-B3000-...4271902&sr=1-2

Subwoofer: PA-150 ($359) (because I like a ton of bass). Possibly PSW505 or BIC f12 (If I don't have enough for the PA-150).

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That will be my basic setup to start and then as time goes buy Ill keep adding to it, the potential add ons will be:

Center speaker: Sony SS-CN5000
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-SS-CN5000.../ref=pd_cp_e_2

Back L/R speakers: More of the Sony SS-B3000

Side L/R speakers?: SS-B3000

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Does the original set up seem to be alright? My biggest concern is If everything is compatible like will this receiver work good with these speakers and subwoofer? Will it be able to hook up with my PS3 and computer? I don't know much at all about receivers but It seems like this is an alright one that isn't extremely expensive. Please let me know if there is something wrong with my setup or if I'm missing something or if one of the products I'm buying is bad (I'm mostly worried about receiver).

Thank you guys so much in advance, this is such an incredibly helpful forum I can't begin to tell you guys how grateful I am for your input.
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so are you looking at a budget of around 250 dollars or so?

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so are you looking at a budget of around 250 dollars or so?

the subwoofer is $359 shipped so about $559 for the original setup. I care the most about base, but I am a little worried with hooking up the receiver to this subwoofer. Is the receiver going to give the subwoofer enough juice? or is it a waste to get a 15" sub with such a cheap receiver?

added subwoofer price in first post, sorry should have done that at the start
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I just read a testimonial in the AVS subwoofer forum recently where someone said that they liked the PA-150 better than the dual BIC PL-200s (model up from the F12) that they had previously.

If you do decide to back off on the PA-150 because of the price, I've heard others say that they like the PA-120 better than BIC F12. Little bit more musical. And it would probably be plenty of sub for that size room.

As for the PS3, you just need an HDMI cable. With your computer, use either HDMI or optical out if you have them.

If you need cables, Monoprice is a great place to buy decent cables for a cheap price. For instance, this is the sub cable that most people recommend.

And don't worry about the sub and the receiver. The receiver sends just the line level bass signal to it. The sub has its own built in amplifier.

Finally, if you want an even better receiver for just a little more money, you can get a factory refurbished/factory warrantied Denon 1612 from accessories4less (good vendor). It's a worthwhile step up from the Sony. For instance, it has Audyssey MultiEQ room correction software that can enhance the sound of your setup; you use a microphone and let it run test tones, and then it automagically applies EQ filters to the speakers and sub. It also got a great review from Home Theater Magazine.

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It is up to you if you want the Sony. Another one to look at
is the RBH speakers, on Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RBH-MODEL-AC...item3a72ee2700

The center
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RBH-AC525-SI...item3a73052c85

Use to sell for $299
http://www.rbhsound.com/ac51.php

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...rs-8-2003.html

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I just read a testimonial in the AVS subwoofer forum recently where someone said that they liked the PA-150 better than the dual BIC PL-200s (model up from the F12) that they had previously.

If you do decide to back off on the PA-150 because of the price, I've heard others say that they like the PA-120 better than BIC F12. Little bit more musical. And it would probably be plenty of sub for that size room.

As for the PS3, you just need an HDMI cable. With your computer, use either HDMI or optical out if you have them.

If you need cables, Monoprice is a great place to buy decent cables for a cheap price. For instance, this is the sub cable that most people recommend.

And don't worry about the sub and the receiver. The receiver sends just the line level bass signal to it. The sub has its own built in amplifier.

Finally, if you want an even better receiver for just a little more money, you can get a factory refurbished/factory warrantied Denon 1612 from accessories4less (good vendor). It's a worthwhile step up from the Sony. For instance, it has Audyssey MultiEQ room correction software that can enhance the sound of your setup; you use a microphone and let it run test tones, and then it automagically applies EQ filters to the speakers and sub. It also got a great review from Home Theater Magazine.

Thank you for the reply!
That receiver does seem nice, but it only have 75 watts output per channel, do you think that is enough? the only reason I would want the Sony over it is because the Sony has 100 watts per channel.
Does the amount of watts make a big difference with the SS-B3000? or any speakers?

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It is up to you if you want the Sony. Another one to look at
is the RBH speakers, on Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RBH-MODEL-AC...item3a72ee2700

The center
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RBH-AC525-SI...item3a73052c85

Use to sell for $299
http://www.rbhsound.com/ac51.php

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...rs-8-2003.html

Those look nice, Ill look into them. Thank you!
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It does not take a lot to drive the Sony speakers. A lot of people
favor the Denon. However, I must say that the Sony did measure
decent in 5 channel surround mode.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/s...-labs-measures

Now look at the Denon
http://www.hometheater.com/content/d...-labs-measures

Do not let the 100 watt thing fool you. Sony rates it at 1000khz

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Thank you for the reply!
That receiver does seem nice, but it only have 75 watts output per channel, do you think that is enough? the only reason I would want the Sony over it is because the Sony has 100 watts per channel.
Does the amount of watts make a big difference with the SS-B3000? or any speakers?

25 watts isn't that much difference. If you double the wattage from say 50 to 100 watts, that's only 3db more output. 1db change is the minimal difference that most people can hear. If you want something to sound twice as loud, you need a 10db increase. This page at About.com explains even more.

Many receiver manufacturers specs are misleading or don't meet their specs. It's not clear that Sony's receiver can actually output 100 watts into each channel all at the same time based on what they have listed. On the other hand, Home Theater Magazine measured the Denon 1612 and found it can push almost 80 watts at a reasonable rate of distortion into all 5 channels at once. So there is a good chance that the Denon will have more power output than the Sony in real world usage.

Update: Jim beat me to it again while I was writing an explanation

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Update: Jim beat me to it again while I was writing an explanation

It is that half step behind thing again.

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Thank both of you guys you are helping a lot. I think I'm going to go with the Denon, even though both seem close I really like the idea of automatic EQ filter thing.

The accessories4less site is great, they have very good discounts.

Also the lab measures are great, they really help show what the real output is.

Thank you guys again, you really helped out a lot.
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Get the Denon 1612. It measures at its rated power, has Audyssey MultiEQ room calibration, a USB input for iPod/iPad, etc and has a GUI on screen display over HDMI. Plus it has real speaker terminals instead of cheap spring clips like the Sony.

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You should be looking at better speakers then those sony's. I would look at these Polk Monitor 40's, on sale for $120 through the weekend. The sub is fine for what you're wanting, your price seams really low. Here's another cheap 15" in case you cant get the PA at that price

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=300-770
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It is up to you if you want the Sony. Another one to look at
is the RBH speakers, on Ebay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RBH-MODEL-AC...item3a72ee2700

The center
http://www.ebay.com/itm/RBH-AC525-SI...item3a73052c85

Use to sell for $299
http://www.rbhsound.com/ac51.php

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...rs-8-2003.html

For myself I love this option, after buying EMP tek speakers i know RBH has to be that much better of a speaker and they look nice. maybe start off with two good front speakers and a small bass and work up from there with a full 5.1 system that you will really love.

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I will be using this set up for 80% music and 20% games/movies. I want to hook up both my ps3/tv and my computer to it. I am 19 and listen to mostly rap or hip-hop (so lots of bass and loud). My room is 10 by 11 and 8 feet tall (small).

Subwoofer: PA-150 ($359) (because I like a ton of bass). Possibly PSW505 or BIC f12 (If I don't have enough for the PA-150).

With a room that small I suspect resonance and reflections will be quite a problem -- almost irrespective of the sub you get -- so volume may be the least of your worries. Something to consider.

The PA-150 does have a lot of bass, but it seems to be mid-bass more than anything. The really low stuff -- which rap and hip-hop tend to favor -- is not really the PA-150's forte. It's certainly not a bad sub, just might not be what you expect. That being said, a few others that may be worth considering are:

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