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Old 04-28-2012, 03:22 PM - Thread Starter
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Hey guys, I'm brand new to the forum but a major headphone audiophile who is looking to get into speaker setups for my new apartment. As with all forums, I'll expect the "there is a search function for a reason, use it" response, but I've scoured this forum as well as a few others to find an answer, and they all seem unhelpful.

I'm pretty much set on the Dayton Audio DTA-100a T-amp and the Polk Audio PSW10 for the amp and sub department of this setup, but the speakers have kinda puzzled me.

Basically, I'm looking for a bookshelf speaker ~$250 that is almost audiophile-level (I won't tarnish the name with speakers in that price range) that is also efficient enough to use 50> WPC for a small party setting (50 people max) for a little bit more than 200 square feet. The speaker's primary use would be for general listening, followed by small parties, and then plugging into a TV for movie nights.

The speakers I'm looking at are the Paradigm Atom v.6, Bic FH-65B, Klipsch WB-14, Polk RTi A1, Dayton Audio BR-1 (DIY), and Pioneer SP-BS41. I'd look at floorstanding ones, but the room that I'll generally be listening to them in is a bedroom/workspace and I don't think that would be the best idea.

So I guess the question is which one of these do you think would be most suited for my needs? Are there any other speakers that might fit the bill? Is it better to just get a PA mono speaker for the parties and get the hi-fi separately (provided it's within $100 of the range)?

Thanks for all the help in advance.
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The Polk PSW10 is frankly garbage. Stick with Dayton for a sub under $150, like the SUB-1200. For speakers I would try and swing just a hair more out of your budget for these Ascend HTM-200's. Very accurate speakers that will work well in a small room with a sub. Yes you could even call them "audiophile" speakers because the performance is real.
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If you are going with that t-amp, keep in mind that you need a sub that has both speaker inputs and outputs. Run the t-amp speaker line to the sub, and then from the sub to the speakers. Otherwise, you will not be able to control the sub volume with the volume on the t-amp. The Dayton Audio SUB-1200 will work well for that, but other options in your budget range might not.

And yes. Stay away from the PSW10. Get better speakers before you put your money into that.

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Thanks for the quick replies guys.

The Ascend's look pretty good, but are there any other options that are a bit more reviewed?

I'll definitely look into the Dayton Audio subs, but I'm not really sure I need a 12" sub for the area that I'm going to be using for parties and listening. The SUB 1000 might be a good fit.

Any other speaker suggestions? My lack of experience with room configuration and requirements has kinda brought me to a dead end in the search.
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Thanks for the quick replies guys.

The Ascend's look pretty good, but are there any other options that are a bit more reviewed?

I'll definitely look into the Dayton Audio subs, but I'm not really sure I need a 12" sub for the area that I'm going to be using for parties and listening. The SUB 1000 might be a good fit.

Any other speaker suggestions? My lack of experience with room configuration and requirements has kinda brought me to a dead end in the search.

The thing about a powered sub is, you can turn it down The 1200 is only $20 more then the 1000, and will perform better across the board, so unless it's physically to big there's no reason to go with the 10".

Read the Ascend reviews of the CBM-170 and you will get a pretty good idea of the performance for the HTM200. The biggest difference is the 170 has better low end bass response and is physically bigger. The top review has the 200 included.

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...er21-1001.html

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages..._Ascend_v3.pdf

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...dReprint.2.pdf
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Boston A26
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Thanks for posting those reviews. Definitely looking into it.

Do you think those A26's will be loud enough? I've heard lots of good things about them.
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Do you think those A26's will be loud enough? I've heard lots of good things about them.

Yes, they will get loud - remember, the speakers that are listed in this thread - are not made for
extreme party levels.

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I think the Boston's would be a better value.They are $100 less than the HTM200's,are 2db more efficient and reach a little lower in the bass.
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I doubt those Boston's are as refined as the Ascends. Any reviews with measurements? If Bass response and output are to be touted OP could get Infinity P163's, but again they likely wont match the Ascends for pure SQ.
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The sky is the limit in an apartment

Wait.. Those klipsch horns are in an apartment..


As always crazy setup.
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OP, as always it is your decision and choice as to what you buy. The end
goal is for your pleasure and enjoyment. Measurements are important >>
however, how a speaker really sounds to you - and if it moves you, is the
final and key ingredient. There are more speakers around, than there are
magazines and people to measure them.

This is one review on the A26, for an insight -
http://www.whathifi.com/review/boston-acoustics-a26

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I think I'm pretty much set on the Dayton Sub 1200 and the Boston Acoustics A26. If the black A26's were on special, it'd be even better, but this is too good a deal to pass up. Thanks for all the help guys, I'll definitely post how it works out!
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I think I'm pretty much set on the Dayton Sub 1200 and the Boston Acoustics A26. If the black A26's were on special, it'd be even better, but this is too good a deal to pass up. Thanks for all the help guys, I'll definitely post how it works out!

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My curiosity has gotten the best of me, and now I'm kind of reconsidering.

If I were to have room for floorstanding speakers, within the same ~$250 budget, which would be a fit for my needs? I've been looking at Polks and Boston Acoustic's offerings, but I'm not sure those are the best fit. Any suggestions before I decide to pull the trigger?
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I didn't notice what you're powering them with so this might not work.

Go to best buy (or a friends....I've got a pair if you're in my area) and listen to a pair of Klipsch Promedia (PC speakers)

Now that I'm working in Florida, my wife uses a pair of them as her entertainment system. It WILL fill the room (floor) of this level with sound quite easily. Sound pretty darn good too.

Look on top of her cabinet and you'll see them. She hides her source (iPad) inside the cabinet.

Bass unit is also hidden inside. Just tossing out a different idea for you.
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Thanks, but I'm trying to stay away from PC speakers.

How are the Polk Monitor60's? Or the BIC Formula FH-6T's? Or BIC RtR 1530's? Or BIC Venturi DV64? I understand that it might mean getting a different amp.
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Boston CS226
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Not sure about neighbors in your apartment, but a sub is not always a good idea. I just run with full-range KEF Q65s (~10 years old) since I share walls on both sides. The room is pretty small, so a pair of bookshelves should be OK - it won't go way low, but can still sound good. In your range, I'd consider NHT 2s.
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How much louder do you think the CS226 would be than the A26's? Do you think they'd need a different amp to be loud enough to be heard over 40 people talking? Would they need a sub still?

The apartment is actually more of a townhouse, and doesn't share a wall with any of our neighbor's homes. It's also located in the area with the most parties in this college town, so I'm sure my humble system won't be anything compared to the DJ setups I've seen some of my future neighbors running.
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How much louder do you think the CS226 would be than the A26's? Do you think they'd need a different amp to be loud enough to be heard over 40 people talking? Would they need a sub still?

If you really want LOUDER, and higher sound pressure levels - then go
with the BIC Formula FH-6T's. In general, bookshelf and tower speakers
perform better, with a good subwoofer. And with the Bic, you may be OK
with the Dayton Audio DTA-100a T-amp.

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Do you think the sound quality would suffer between the BICs and both the A26 and CS226?
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Do you think the sound quality would suffer between the BICs and both the A26 and CS226?

It all comes down to you - for music, I do prefer Boston. As far as
the A26 or CS226, the tower will handle more power and give more
radiation coverage, with better bass control and punch. And I would
maybe think about a different amp, if you buy the Boston towers.

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Alright, thanks again!
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As said above, the PSW10 is trash (and I'm not even a highly discerning audiophile). I had one before sending it back a couple days later. You want overhead with a sub. The more you have the better. Your sub is going to sound the best when it's comfortably working while turned down halfway. The PSW10 isn't that sub. Look into the PSW505 or a Bic F-12 from Amazon or Newegg.
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