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My last system (although not set up since I was single 10 years ago) was a Klipsch Synergy. I was happy with that so keep that in mind.

Room is 14x25x8= 2800 sq ft. It is carpet and has only the 40" opening of the stairs going up (Bonus room over garage). 90% Home Theater.

I really do not want to spend over $5k, I need money for Seating and other stuff, plus you have to cut yourself off somewhere, I am not a professional.

Option 1-
5 SHO-10's with Dual SS-18.1's for $3175. I just keep coming back to this, I can not believe I will need more than this. So add a Receiver (I am leaning toward the Denon 4311) to the SHO-10's and it comes to $4500. Add in stands, wire, ect and I am on budget for the Whole System and honestly I think it would Rock. Option 1= $4500


Option 2-
Sound Distribution or other (Would rather deal with Forum Sponsor, but I am waiting to do more research) Klipsch System that includes RF-7ii fronts, RC64ii Center, RS-62ii Rears, this also includes the Marantz SR7005AV. It includes a Subwoofer that I would not use so that is a mute point. I could get this for about $5000. Here is the problem, I still have to add Subs, to equal option 1 that is over $1000 for sure. Option 2= $6000 minimum

Option 1 PRO's
- Price and Value
- Assembled in the USA
- All 5 speakers are the same (I keep reading that is the best way to do it)

Option 1 CON's
- Fit and Finish (Although based on pictures of the 2012's I think that is taking care of, but still not to the Klipsch Standards)
- No local dealer if I run into any issues

Option 2 PRO's
- Veneer Fronts and Center
- Local Dealer (Not sure how open they would be if I did not buy from them)

Option 2 CON's
- Price (Although I do still think this is a good value)
- Speakers are not all the same

So the question is do you feel the Klipsch is worth $1500 more than the CHT????

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where did you find the 4311 for such a low price. That $1299 price isnt good as it was from an unauthorized seller.
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I was not aware of that, good to know, I guess you can not get it that cheap right now. Looks like it will be a couple hundred more. Still a $1500 difference because you also can not match the dual SS-18.1's for a $1000, but that is the number I used.
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Authorized sellers will price match that price for you. Call in until you find one who does. There is a thread on this.

I got mine from world wide stereo. YMMV.
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Authorized sellers will price match that price for you. Call in until you find one who does. There is a thread on this.

I got mine from world wide stereo. YMMV.

Excellent, thank you for the information!!!

I am debating adding the Monitor Audio Silver RX-6 package that includes RX-6 fronts, RX Center, RXFX rears, and RXW-12 Sub to my list. This package I know I would lose some sound in exchange for much better look.

For what it is worth I do not listen really loud.
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Since that price is from an unauthorized dealer, not all authorized dealers do the price match. The new Onkyo 818 has Audyssey XT32 and it is some $1200. So the price of 4311 may drop.

If you do not listen very loud, you do not need monsters like RF7 or RC64. You can go with RF62, RC62 and if weight is not a concern you can add a good 12" or 15" sub by SVS or Epik or Rythmik
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Mupi,

The price can be obtained by authorized dealers for the Denon. I ordered one this past week and the company is listed on Denon site for authorized dealers......
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So the question is do you feel the Klipsch is worth $1500 more than the CHT????

Thank you all

Yes, easily! You're comparing tiny little bookshelf speakers to Klipsch RF-7s that have 1.75" tweeters! That's almost the size of pro drivers. The SHO's only go down to 72hz, the Klipsch will have way more impact. Really can't compare the two at all IMO.
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I would go with Klipsch Heresy III's for the LCR ($2500) with CHT Pro 10's for surround.


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I am debating adding the Monitor Audio Silver RX-6 package that includes RX-6 fronts, RX Center, RXFX rears, and RXW-12 Sub to my list. This package I know I would lose some sound in exchange for much better look.
For what it is worth I do not listen really loud.

I prefer the sound over the Klipsch - however for your room size,
and mainly home theater - I would prefer the Klipsch.

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Yes, easily! You're comparing tiny little bookshelf speakers to Klipsch RF-7s that have 1.75" tweeters! That's almost the size of pro drivers. The SHO's only go down to 72hz, the Klipsch will have way more impact. Really can't compare the two at all IMO.

With Dual Subs why do I need the SHO's to go under 80hz??? I get the RF7ii is much more capable, but if I am going with Dual Subs will I be using these capabilities?

This is all new to me.
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You should also be looking at JTR Triple 8s.
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Yes, easily! You're comparing tiny little bookshelf speakers to Klipsch RF-7s that have 1.75" tweeters!

Um, those "tiny little bookshelf speakers" use a 10" woofer - even to this old guy who got into audio in the 70s that's middlin' to large!

IMO those RF7s would be wasted as satellites when paired with a subwoofer (but great for a 2.0 music or music/movie system).

I'm a big fan of so-called large speakers i.e. anything with an 8" or larger woofer for multichannel systems. I think they sound much fuller and produce a more cohesive & smoother "bubble" of sound than some small minimonitor with a 5" woofer wheezing & straining at the standard 80Hz xover point.

Lastly, I like the idea of the five identical speakers all the way around because that's how I see many mixing rooms set up (and personally I've never seen them use dipolar/bipolar speakers for the surround channels).
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It might come down to if I want Veneer or not. I have to think more, if I am using them 50/50 music/HT to me the Klipsch would be the pick.

Really can not beat CHT for the price. My budget keeps rising..........
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Yes, easily! You're comparing tiny little bookshelf speakers to Klipsch RF-7s that have 1.75" tweeters! That's almost the size of pro drivers. The SHO's only go down to 72hz, the Klipsch will have way more impact. Really can't compare the two at all IMO.

I would not be so sure.
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Yes, easily! You're comparing tiny little bookshelf speakers to Klipsch RF-7s that have 1.75" tweeters!

The size of the tweeter (or driver) has nothing to do with sound quality.

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The SHO's only go down to 72hz, the Klipsch will have way more impact. Really can't compare the two at all IMO.

Why would you need for a speaker to go below 80Hz if your using good quality subwoofers.


The Klipsch speakers are rear ported which makes placement in a theater environment a little harder. The 5 identical speakers will give you the best surround sound envelopement. Who needs veneers when all the lights are off and your watching a movie?

My vote would be to go with the CHT speakers. But I might consider using Klipsch surrounds if you don't have the placement options for a larger speaker like the CHTs.

If the down firing CHT subs don't work for your room, you might want to look at the JTR Captivator 1000 sub. Same price as 2 CHT ss18.1 subs with the SA1000 amp.


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I would not be so sure.

OP, I would communicate with MKtheater for info regarding the CHT speakers, as he has listened and compared them to other speakers considered highly for theater use.

Here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post21789313


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Great info, I have to think really hard, I am quoting out the Klipsch. No doubt in my mind the CHT will greatly exceed my expectations for much less money. I can absolutely fit the SHO-10's in the rears.
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Why would you need for a speaker to go below 80Hz if your using good quality subwoofers.

It's not just the ability to go below 80 Hz, there's lots of bass with impact above 80 Hz and bigger speakers tens to have more impact even set as small. I wouldn't trade my "small" fronts for bookshelf speakers anyway.

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I am leaning heavily towards the the CHT, it is in my bonus room over a garage so honestly the appearance is not as important, does not need Wife approval.

Now I will focus on AVR choices.

Fun times, should be all set up in a month or so.
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It's not just the ability to go below 80 Hz, there's lots of bass with impact above 80 Hz and bigger speakers tens to have more impact even set as small. I wouldn't trade my "small" fronts for bookshelf speakers anyway.

This my experience also.

I remember comparing a set of JBL speakers with single five inch woofers and some larger JBLs with single 8" woofers using the same 100Hz xover setting (this was nearly a decade ago) with the subwoofer shut off. The difference was extremely obvious. So for systems I really care about, particularly those used for music playback, I have never again bothered with speakers with woofers smaller than 6.5".
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It's not just the ability to go below 80 Hz, there's lots of bass with impact above 80 Hz and bigger speakers tens to have more impact even set as small. I wouldn't trade my "small" fronts for bookshelf speakers anyway.

It's not like the CHT speaker is using a 5" driver. The CHT uses a 10" driver.


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It's not like the CHT speaker is using a 5' driver. The CHT uses a 10" driver.

Gotcha. True enough.

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I would go with the ChT system.
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