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Starting a home theater system. I have a denon Reciever and a set of cheap insignia speakers. I am starting off slow, I want to build a 7.1 system in the next few years. First I want to find a good set of Bookshelf front L/R speakers. They will be used mostly for watching movies, a little bit of video games and music. I am about to buy a $2,300 TV, so I'm slowly building a home theater system. I am looking to spend no more then $500 on a pair of speakers, hopefully less than that. I'll be living in an apartment, so probably a 10x10 or 12x12 living room. Any recommendations?
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Starting a home theater system. I have a denon Reciever and a set of cheap insignia speakers. I am starting off slow, I want to build a 7.1 system in the next few years. First I want to find a good set of Bookshelf front L/R speakers. They will be used mostly for watching movies, a little bit of video games and music. I am about to buy a $2,300 TV, so I'm slowly building a home theater system. I am looking to spend no more then $500 on a pair of speakers, hopefully less than that. I'll be living in an apartment, so probably a 10x10 or 12x12 living room. Any recommendations?

Energy rc-10s! +matching center!(if they are still on sale at vanns). Hsu hb1 mk2s (or their enthusiast package) are good too

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Those HSU HB1's are a pretty good deal for HT with 90+ db sensitivity and smooth on/off axis response.

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Whatever bookshelves you got make sure it's 89dB+ sensitivity. Accuracy isn't as important.

Ascend CBM-170SE looks good as well.
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Whatever bookshelves you got make sure it's 89dB+ sensitivity. Accuracy isn't as important.

Ascend CBM-170SE looks good as well.

I got a pair of them last month and they sound amazing to me. Very smooth sounding speaker, and when turned up, don't sound bright or ear piercing. I was watching Incubus-Live At Red Rocks on BD in 2-channel lossless with one of my Athena AS-B1's on the right channel and a CBM-170SE on the left. While both had nice midbass, the CBM-170 had more impact in the bass notes of the kickdrum as well as the bass guitar. Brandon's voice came across very smooth, and they had a nice midrange.

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Whatever bookshelves you got make sure it's 89dB+ sensitivity. Accuracy isn't as important.

I disagree with that. OP is in a very small room. Sensitivity is always ideal, but it isn't the #1 criteria.
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I disagree with that. OP is in a very small room. Sensitivity is always ideal, but it isn't the #1 criteria.

In that case then... Get the Ascends since it's probably the most accurate bookshelf around that price range. Check out the freq response graph...
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Thanks, I ended up buying the Energy CR-10's now, what is a good center speaker for less then 200?
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When you bought those Energy you were planning to use the matching center from the same Energy line right?
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Thanks, I ended up buying the Energy CR-10's now, what is a good center speaker for less then 200?

Is that a typo? Did you mean the RC-10s? The cr-10s http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...38/energy-cr10 are good for surrounds as dipole/bipole but the wrong speaker to get as mains.

My review comparisons of Energy RC-70s to Veritas V6.3 http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post21199418
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Yes, I hope you meant RC-10s. If you did get RC-10s try to squeeze $50 more out of your budget and get the RC LCR center, you wont regret it.

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In that case then... Get the Ascends since it's probably the most accurate bookshelf around that price range. Check out the freq response graph...

The most accurate loudspeaker isn't always the most pleasant to listen to.

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Ok, so it's been about 8 months since I bought these, and I have been using them for about 3 months, the RC-10 left and right speakers. I haven't bought a center speaker yet, and I am looking to purchase it in the next month or two. The one that was mentioned above is the RC LCR Center Speaker which has greatly increased in price. Now I am looking for a different one because of the price range. I'm looking to spend no more then 200 on the center speaker. But if there is one that is 10 times better for a little more, I am willing to go up. It would be a plus if it could fit in a 7 1/2 inch (height) X 13 inch(side to side) shelf. I am building an entertainment center and I would love for it to fit in the area I am building. If not I might be able to make adjustments. Any advise on what speaker to buy and where would be greatly appreciated. I watch Blu-Ray movies and video games mostly, a little bit of music.
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Damn, I was gonna suggest Klipsch Rb-61 ii.

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Ok, so it's been about 8 months since I bought these, and I have been using them for about 3 months, the RC-10 left and right speakers. I haven't bought a center speaker yet, and I am looking to purchase it in the next month or two. The one that was mentioned above is the RC LCR Center Speaker which has greatly increased in price. Now I am looking for a different one because of the price range. I'm looking to spend no more then 200 on the center speaker. But if there is one that is 10 times better for a little more, I am willing to go up. It would be a plus if it could fit in a 7 1/2 inch (height) X 13 inch(side to side) shelf. I am building an entertainment center and I would love for it to fit in the area I am building. If not I might be able to make adjustments. Any advise on what speaker to buy and where would be greatly appreciated. I watch Blu-Ray movies and video games mostly, a little bit of music.

You really need the center to match the front speakers. There may be a lower line center that is still timbre matched, or maybe you can find one used, or wait for a deal. I think it will be hard to find a decent center less than 13 inches wide, I'd do some research and modify your plans... and with that sooner is always better.
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In that case then... Get the Ascends since it's probably the most accurate bookshelf around that price range. Check out the freq response graph...

You might wanna check out HTM's measurements of NHT's Absolute Zero.
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Would the absolute Zero as a center speaker go well with my RC-10's as Left and Right Front speakers?
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Would recommend you don't switch brands between your fronts and center. Maybe pick up a single RC-10 if you can or the matching center.
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Maybe I am in the minority here, but I really dont think a slightly mismatched center makes any difference for movie watching. I have never noticed a difference between when I had 5 matching monitors, or when I have had them mismatched. Now I wouldnt want a Klipsch center with B&W LT/RT's maybe, but if they are anywhere near close, you will not notice. For music, it is another story, but I dislike multi-channel music anyway, so the center does not come into play.
And you have a wonderful set of mains there, I have the RC-10's also, and currently using a Polk center, which I have no problem with.
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If you don't want to go with an Energy center the Absolute Zero could work, but to my ears it is noticeably brighter than the RC-10 (I've owned or auditioned both in home). The Cambridge Audio S50 might be a better match. (I haven't heard any of the Polk centers in a long time.)

Have you considered looking for a used RC-LCR or another RC-10 used? In the Energy Owners thread there are several posts mentioning three RC-10's as good solution (esp. when the RC-LCR's became hard to find).
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If you can not find the RC center for a good price - then look for
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Look on Ebay
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Thanks, I ended up buying the Energy CR-10's now, what is a good center speaker for less then 200?


Is that a typo? Did you mean the RC-10s? The cr-10s http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...38/energy-cr10 are good for surrounds as dipole/bipole but the wrong speaker to get as mains.
So, I know it's been 3-5 years since I've been on here much, but I finally broke down and bought my center speaker. I followed everyone's advice and bought the Energy RC LCR to go alongside my RC-10s. It sounds fantastic!!
Next up, should I buy a subwoofer, or two rear speakers? I want to end up with a 7.1 system, but for now until I move into a bigger home, I want to stick with a 5.1. So I'd like to get two rear speakers that will go along with another set of rear speakers. I'm not too knowledgable in the audio department, so I may not be calling them the right names, so bare with me. Like I said before, I watch mostly movies and tv, and play a little bit of video games.
Also, I should let you know the dimensions of the living room. The living room is connected to the kitchen, so it's sort of like one big room. The dimensions are roughly 15 ft by 25 ft (or instead of 25 ft, probably 40 ft if you count the kitchen). My couch is about 11 ft from the tv and it's against a wall, so I guess I would get speaker stands connected above and to the sides of the couch.
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So, I know it's been 3-5 years since I've been on here much, but I finally broke down and bought my center speaker. I followed everyone's advice and bought the Energy RC LCR to go alongside my RC-10s. It sounds fantastic!!
Next up, should I buy a subwoofer, or two rear speakers? I want to end up with a 7.1 system, but for now until I move into a bigger home, I want to stick with a 5.1. So I'd like to get two rear speakers that will go along with another set of rear speakers. I'm not too knowledgable in the audio department, so I may not be calling them the right names, so bare with me. Like I said before, I watch mostly movies and tv, and play a little bit of video games.
Also, I should let you know the dimensions of the living room. The living room is connected to the kitchen, so it's sort of like one big room. The dimensions are roughly 15 ft by 25 ft (or instead of 25 ft, probably 40 ft if you count the kitchen). My couch is about 11 ft from the tv and it's against a wall, so I guess I would get speaker stands connected above and to the sides of the couch.
Absolutely yes, get a sub before you even THINK about rear speakers...they are absolutely irrelevant in comparison.

For a room that big I'd get a Hsu VTF-3 or something in that class.
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Absolutely yes, get a sub before you even THINK about rear speakers...they are absolutely irrelevant in comparison.

For a room that big I'd get a Hsu VTF-3 or something in that class.
What would you recommend if the room were just 13 ft by 18 ft? If I could stick to around $150, that would be great, but if in the long run it is so much more worth paying a lot more, I am willing to save a bit more. Thanks for the advice by the way!

On a side note, I bought my Energy RC LCR off eBay Used and it didn't come with the two foam inserts. My left and rights have them, should I make them uniform? All or nothing? If I should get them, can I make a pair of DIY foam inserts, or should I order them from somewhere?

Thanks!
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What would you recommend if the room were just 13 ft by 18 ft? If I could stick to around $150, that would be great, but if in the long run it is so much more worth paying a lot more, I am willing to save a bit more. Thanks for the advice by the way!

On a side note, I bought my Energy RC LCR off eBay Used and it didn't come with the two foam inserts. My left and rights have them, should I make them uniform? All or nothing? If I should get them, can I make a pair of DIY foam inserts, or should I order them from somewhere?

Thanks!
I'd try to budget at least $400 or so for the sub. Anything in the $150 range is going to be too small, underpowered, sloppy, or some combination of all three.

The SVS SB12-NSD is great for the money, and I've heard good things about the RBH I-12 (though it's $100 more).
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I'd try to budget at least $400 or so for the sub. Anything in the $150 range is going to be too small, underpowered, sloppy, or some combination of all three.

The SVS SB12-NSD is great for the money, and I've heard good things about the RBH I-12 (though it's $100 more).
Thanks for the recommendations! I'll be comparing the SVS-SB12-NSD with the HSU VTF-3 today online. I'm trying to research what to look for in a sub that makes one better than the other. I'm absolutely a newbie and although I usually catch on to things like this, speaker terminology is a foreign language to me. Any extra advice is happily accepted!
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If spending $500-800 on sub is out of the question, a smaller sub placed right beside or behind the couch would produce the desired effect for any sitting on the sofa, but won't cover the whole space. The lowest I'd recommend is the Bic F12 which is going for $198. The SVS SB12 NSD previously mentioned would definitely be a better choice though.
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What would you recommend if the room were just 13 ft by 18 ft? If I could stick to around $150, that would be great, but if in the long run it is so much more worth paying a lot more, I am willing to save a bit more. Thanks for the advice by the way!

On a side note, I bought my Energy RC LCR off eBay Used and it didn't come with the two foam inserts. My left and rights have them, should I make them uniform? All or nothing? If I should get them, can I make a pair of DIY foam inserts, or should I order them from somewhere?
well, some people actually just use rolled up socks for port plugs...but once you get a sub you'll probably set the front speakers on "small" sending all the deep bass (usually under 80Hz) to the sub so the foam inserts may not even be needed.

I've had $150 sub before, and I never stopped regretting it until the day I finally upgraded. In a really small room (and remember that "room" here = the total physical space including all open/adjacent areas not just the LISTENING AREA) it might've been ok-ish if placed in a corner and with a solid slab under the floor rather than another floor.

I can recommend the aforementioned EMPTek I-12 if you want the best bang for your buck---if you call them up directly and ask, they may be able to offer you a B-stock model for $400 instead of the normal $500 price. Well worth it, since they are said to be in the same performance ballpark as the $800 SVS PB2000.

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Thanks guys! I'll probably go with the SVS SB12-NSD. TBH, I'm not super concerned with a really heavy bass. I just want a good quality subwoofer.
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Thanks guys! I'll probably go with the SVS SB12-NSD. TBH, I'm not super concerned with a really heavy bass. I just want a good quality subwoofer.
With the SVS SB12-NSD, you'll be getting a very respectable sub for the price.

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