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Picked up some Pioneer SP-BS21-LR's for my first sound system build (have always used headphones or computer speakers) and paired them to an AudioSource AMP-100.

At first I was blown away they sounded better than any speakers I've ever owned, the high's are clear as day and the upper mids are pretty crisp but the more I listened the more I noticed the lower mids and low end seem kind of melded together (Lack of treble?).

For example in some music where lyrics are spoken in a mumbled manner its very hard to understand them, I'm not greatly experienced with audio but its driving me nuts, The speakers sound absolutely amazing until any lower end kicks in and then it sounds like a muddy mess.

I also have these paired with a Xongar DG soundcard and a Pioneer SW-8 sub, my main use for these speakers is Flac music (Melodic drum and bass, piano, acoustic guitar, metal) in comparison with headphones I was hoping to get a sound comparable to my Audio-Technica ATH-M50's but with a little more depth.

In closing, is this normal for these speakers? maybe I just like my treble too much? and if this is the case what speakers would you recommend for a brighter sound with comparable value.
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Bump? Can I get any input on this issue?
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could be that the crossover is set at the wrong point .not familiar with this speaker but if its bookshelf i would set avr / reciever to small or even better crossover at 80hz

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In closing, is this normal for these speakers? maybe I just like my treble too much? and if this is the case what speakers would you recommend for a brighter sound with comparable value.

Yes, it's normal for those. They are a somewhat dull sounding speaker. Some people like that about them though.
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They do have somewhat rolled off highs, and there tends to be a nasty
dip aroud 10khz - while some speakers go in the other direction. It will
come down to your flavor, in the budget friendly game.

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How your speakers sound has a lot to do with what is running through them. Use an audiophile grade sound card with good drivers and software like jet audio and your speakers will likely sound drastically different.
Make sure your audio card drivers are up to date also.
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could be that the crossover is set at the wrong point .not familiar with this speaker but if its bookshelf i would set avr / reciever to small or even better crossover at 80hz

IIRC the owner's manual recommends a xover of 100Hz. These are very small speakers & 80Hz can still contain some very powerful notes even relatively larger speakers can struggle with at higher volumes.
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I think most missed the fact that the OP is using a 2 channel amp. Not an HT receiver.

As the owner of both pieces of gear mentioned i can attest to the Pioneer's leaning to the warm side. In fact I own the SP-BS41's as well. Both have a slightly rolled off upper midrange and high end. I tend to prefer this as I can listen for hours on end with no fatigue. Even at high volume.

The Pioneer SP-BS21 IMO are one of the best bargains in audio today. They truly redefine whats possible for less than a hundred bucks. 49.99 in my case.

Keep in mind that the "muddy mess" coming from the bass could be caused by the placement of the speakers and the room. Both models of Pioneers like to be pulled from the wall at least 6-10" for the 21's and even more for the 41's. Pulling them out into the room should tighten things up in the bass.

The Audiosource amp is a killer amp for less than a hundred as well. Audiosource is very underrated in my book.
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The Pioneer SW-8 sub @$80 and Pioneer SP-BS21 @$50.. There is a good reason why there dumping them.. If they were so good why would be selling them so cheap and still with the give away pricing the pioneers are still around.. They are just to warm sounding, dull maybe a better word.. You can tweak them, but still there dynamic range sounds compressed, there is no fix for that short fall...
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Are there any pro measurements online for the 21's? I am only finding subjective reviews and various user comments.

I would like to see how they compare to the 'Phile measurements of the 41's.

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Are there any pro measurements online for the 21's? I am only finding subjective reviews and various user comments.

I would like to see how they compare to the 'Phile measurements of the 41's.

Brian

You can look at this, not third party magazine - a Parts Express member measured them.
On axis (1st pic) and 30 degrees off axis (2nd pic) >
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keep in mind that the "muddy mess" coming from the bass could be caused by the placement of the speakers and the room.

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I'm also curious as to what the OP is using as source material. A lot of this problem could be speaker placement and listening to too heavily compressed MP3 files. No speaker can sound better than the source material.

Also I'm not sure it's fair to compare a small budget bookshelf to a pair of headphones that cost 3X what the speakers cost. Not that these aren't good speakers for the price, it's just that you need to keep in mind what they are.
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OH wow I was never sent an email that I received a reply , sorry for the late response.

Yes I am using a 2ch amp not a receiver so I don't think I can do much in the way of crossover.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions about the dull mid's, as for an "audiophile grade sound card" I think you get a lot more for your money on the speakers themselves than the sound card although I'm not arguing that it does not make a difference.

Yes the speakers are not that far from the wall, my living space is some what cramped and they sit next to my monitor with the backs about 3 inches away from the wall.

I understand its easy to say "yeah they're cheap pieces of crap of course they sound bad" but if you have read any reviews like others have said these speakers astound even those who have heard more expensive set ups, especially at the price range (which is why they are selling like hot cakes)

And yes my expectations were probably blown out of proportion with all the shining reviews but these were purchased to replace a set of Logitech z2300's
and I thought my first jump into non computer audio based speakers would blow away my old 2300's but I miss those bright punchy mid's, the highs were not as good but you hear a lot more mid's than anything IMO.

I will post a link with 2 different FLAC files on opposite sides of the spectrum of what I listen to.

In total I spent about 250 bucks on this set up including amp speakers and sub, I can still return all this so if anyone can recommend a brighter punchier and more precise set up in the same price range PLEASE DO!

THANKS FOR THE REPLIES!~
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NOBODY who has heard really good speakers would say these compare. They are in a different class, the budget speaker. Are they good for a budget speaker? That is up to YOUR ears...
I have found consumer reviews to be very misleading/worthless...unless an item doesn't work, people tend to write favorable reviews to justify the purchase (myself included)!

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I am not trying to say they compare to more expensive speakers I am only saying people who do review speakers that cost upwards of $1k were surprised at the quality of these speakers >(For the price)< and that was when they were $100 or so.

So no I am not infuriated that my $50 speakers cant keep up with a $500 pair I just expected a little more in the mid's, I am not an audio veteran by any means and I am sorry if my statements seem ignorant to those who are more qualified for that title but I am happy to listen if anyone has any thing to aid in my pursuit of the best value budget speakers I can obtain as these things are hard to find (that's why I am asking the community)

Here are 2 songs that I listen to regularly that have changed in sound drastically going from my z2300's to my SP-BS21-LR's.

http://www.mediafire.com/?i780x2qodmvhelg - The first song sounds a lot crisper and beautiful on the Pioneer's.

http://www.mediafire.com/?wxs6h34jf3rgn42 - This song is A LOT more technical in the mid range and my z2300's seemed much more snappy and clear for this kind of music.

Thanks everyone
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So can anyone throw out some recommendations as to what the community thinks are some of the best values for bookshelf speakers around 100 dollars?
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So can anyone throw out some recommendations as to what the community thinks are some of the best values for bookshelf speakers around 100 dollars?


BS-41'S if you can find em on sale.
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So can anyone throw out some recommendations as to what the community thinks are some of the best values for bookshelf speakers around 100 dollars?

RBH AC51 - they are not voiced to have a raised treble >
many small computer speakers tend to have weak mids,
plus an exaggerated treble - that will give an illusion of
more detail, and have somewhat artificial sound.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/270972636310...84.m1438.l2648

http://www.rbhsound.com/ac51.php

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Interested in the RBH's but I'd prefer to order from amazon (prime + awesome customer service) in case I want to return my speakers.

Speaking of which the Pioneer's are heading to a UPS dropbox today.
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I got a pair of Polk M40s for $99.00 (including shipping) from New Egg. If you watch, New Egg will have these on sale periodically.

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Interested in the RBH's but I'd prefer to order from amazon (prime + awesome customer service) in case I want to return my speakers.

Your choice - you have 14 days return policy on Ebay. Good Luck!

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So can anyone throw out some recommendations as to what the community thinks are some of the best values for bookshelf speakers around 100 dollars?

Maybe NHT SuperZero 2.0's? They also have the new SuperPowers that are amplified SuperZero's.
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Going to create a new thread as my questions based on the topic of this thread have been answered thank you all very much!
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BS-41'S if you can find em on sale.
i just bought some mission 731is on ebay for 60.00 and they sound fantastic

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