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even when stereo music listening is what their primary purpose will be.

I've been wanting to pull the trigger on a pair of PSB Image T6s, but doing so means I make other huge sacrifices in regards to the size TV I can get and type/size of TV stand I can have (my living room walls and current furniture set-up is very unique and particular, i.e. unforgiving and not at all a "blank canvas").

So I've been considering other options, mainly a Def Tech Cinema1000 package. My parents actually owned this set-up from about 10 years ago (when I think they were still called the Cinema 100s and not the Cinema1ks, and definitely before they had the passive radiators) and they sounded great. The thing is, though, is that in that set-up they were used almost exclusively for movie watching. When I did listen to music on them, I found them to be sub-par, though I always thought that part of that problem was that they were ceiling mounted fifteen feet above ear-level. I definitely wouldn't do that: just have them on the tv stand at ear level.

So has this line made any improvements? Had any setbacks? Will the subwoofer take care of all my worries and it'll sound LIKE I have tower hi-fi speakers, or something close? Should I consider another option? Thanks in advance.
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What's your speaker and sub budget?

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Right around the $1,500 or so that the Def Tech Cinema1000 package can be had for.

If I were to find a way to work/be willing to make those sacrifices of having floorstanding speakers, and get something like the Image T6s, I'd be willing to build as I go and just have the pair to start and then add a center and sub/surrounds down the line, especially because, like I said, stereo music will definitely be the majority of what I will be doing.
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A great set of bookshelves with a good powerful sub. properly setup, and good AVR or separates based system can sound just as terrific as a pair of floorstanders.
What is your room like? What is your budget? How big a TV do you have or want to get? What is the rest of your equipment? I guess it depends on your priorities and listening/viewing habits.

I'm working through this now. My system is about 12 years old and I am considering upgrading after redoing my room. Others here are more knowledgeable than me so I'm sure they will chime in.

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So I've been considering other options, mainly a Def Tech Cinema1000
Will the subwoofer take care of all my worries and it'll sound LIKE I have tower hi-fi speakers, or something close?

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A great set of bookshelves with a good powerful sub. properly setup, and good AVR or separates based system can sound just as terrific as a pair of floorstanders.
What is your room like? What is your budget? How big a TV do you have or want to get? What is the rest of your equipment? I guess it depends on your priorities and listening/viewing habits.

I'm working through this now. My system is about 12 years old and I am considering upgrading after redoing my room. Others here are more knowledgeable than me so I'm sure they will chime in.

But are the Def Techs capable of being "a great set of bookshelves [that can] sound just as terrific as a pair of floorstanders"?

My room is odd, like I said. Recesses, bay windows, completely a-symmetrical. It's big, but no one wall in particular goes for very long before a turn or dip being made somewhere. Nice to look at, difficult to set up my stuff haha.

The rest of my equipment is only a CD player and record player at this point (just sold everything else I had to pad the budget for new stuff). Though I've made up my mind that a Denon AVR-2312 will be my receiver (can't afford amps and pre-amps and all that). I want a 60" or at least 55" TV, and the biggest wall I have measures 68.75", even though it's on a side of the room that runs over 15' in total length (like I said, dips and turns haha).

Budget is as described above, which is to say sort of flexible, depending. It does not include what I've set aside for the receiver, also.
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For $1500 you can get 4 real bookshelf speakers, a center and a sub.

Energy RC-10s and RC LCR would only be $850, leaving you plenty for a very nice sub.

PSB Alpha B1 and C1 center would cost the same $850.

5 Ascend CDM-170SE would cost about $865 shipped.

2 KEF iQ30 fronts, iq60 center and iQ10 surrounds for $1000

These subs would be within your budget with first three systems and slightly over with the KEFs.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk4.html
http://outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html


Without a drawing or pic its hard to say if these bookshelf speakers would fit in your space.

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Just wanted to tell the OP that I have Def Tech PM1000s for FL/FR (mounted ear level on Prostands) driven by a Denon. Add a good sub of your choice and I think they sound really, really, really good for music. Doesn't necessarily mean they're the right choice for you, but they sure make me happy.
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Never had floorstanders, but always been curious about them. Also never heard PSBs but know they have a good reputation. I have a set of these with a smaller (VTF 3.3) sub and think they sound fantastic with music. I listen to all sorts of stuff and they sound almost as good alone as they do with the sub. I'm in school so I'm always listening to music while I study. Have a high sensitivity so they're easy to drive and you could get an entire surround pkg for your budget. Read the reviews as well as on here. Lots of happy owners. Surely not the end-all-be-all but a great speaker (and pkg) for a great price. Just another option. Good luck!

http://hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2pkg.html
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Once you get it setup so that you get a good transition from the bookshelf speakers to the sub you will most likely have better luck with the bookshelf+sub. Since your amp no longer has to power the full range so you have extra power. Along with the sub being able to be placed where ever gives you best response.

The main problem is getting it setup correctly.
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