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We are trying to install either a 5.1 or 7.1 system in our family room. In the order of most use, it will be HDTV, gaming, and movies. Very little to no music listening. It is a larger room with the main seating about 17ft from the display and about 16ft. wide.
I plan on creating a dedicated basement space in the future for movies.

I am waiting for a quote, but here is what our A/V guy is recommending based on our $2k budget, all Def Tech:
Fronts - StudioMonitor 45
Center - ProCenter 2000
Surrounds - UIW 63/A in-ceiling.

Fed by my existing Denon 3808 AVR.

The layout isn't real conducive to speakers on the sidewalls, but we could make it happen if the quality is worth it.

How does this look?
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Glad to try and help if you can provide more detail--room dimensions and furniture layout. My personal opinion is layout trumps equipment: budget speakers in an ideal surrround sound layout are more satisfying than better engineered and more expensive speakers in compromised layouts. If you can't help but have a bad layout, might as well spend the money on the biggest screen you can afford and 2 matching, powerful subs, but that's a generalization.
I don't know you, but friends don't let friends buy ceiling speakers. They won't reproduce an enveloping surround soundfield. Side speakers are critical for 5.1. The extra two for 7.1 aren't as dramatic, but they can make a 5.1 or even 2 channel sound field fuller. Every once in a while comes along a really good discrete 7.1 mix like Tron: Legacy, but they are few and far between. I would fight hard for non-ceiling speakers on the sides of the listening area.
Finally, those recommended speakers seem small for that room. 91dB efficiency is a plus, though you could do better if you shop around--such as Hsu Research's 92dB bookshelf speakers with horns), and I doubt you'll approach reference levels in that large room with your receiver. Maybe that is not important to you. There's a Home Theater review that may have test bench measurements on the actual (not rated) continuous, all channels driven output http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...rk6dsmaHzB9xqQ. You can then use Crown's calculator to see what how loud the system will be at the listening area.
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I would look at another SM 45, to use as a center channel - if you
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I think that's going to be just fine
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I would look at another SM 45, to use as a center channel - if you
can stand it up.

Agree with this. It's always best to have the front's match (including the center channel speaker).

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Glad to try and help if you can provide more detail--room dimensions and furniture layout. My personal opinion is layout trumps equipment: budget speakers in an ideal surrround sound layout are more satisfying than better engineered and more expensive speakers in compromised layouts. If you can't help but have a bad layout, might as well spend the money on the biggest screen you can afford and 2 matching, powerful subs, but that's a generalization.
I don't know you, but friends don't let friends buy ceiling speakers. They won't reproduce an enveloping surround soundfield. Side speakers are critical for 5.1. The extra two for 7.1 aren't as dramatic, but they can make a 5.1 or even 2 channel sound field fuller. Every once in a while comes along a really good discrete 7.1 mix like Tron: Legacy, but they are few and far between. I would fight hard for non-ceiling speakers on the sides of the listening area.
Finally, those recommended speakers seem small for that room. 91dB efficiency is a plus, though you could do better if you shop around--such as Hsu Research's 92dB bookshelf speakers with horns), and I doubt you'll approach reference levels in that large room with your receiver. Maybe that is not important to you. There's a Home Theater review that may have test bench measurements on the actual (not rated) continuous, all channels driven output http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...rk6dsmaHzB9xqQ. You can then use Crown's calculator to see what how loud the system will be at the listening area.

Thanks for the advice. I will look more into trying to get the surrounds on the walls. According to that calculator and sitting 17ft from the speakers, I would only need 18 watts per channel. Perhaps I am missing something. At any rate, we won't be watching much material at reference levels with kids in the house.
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I would look at another SM 45, to use as a center channel - if you
can stand it up.

Do you not recommend the Procenter 2000?
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Do you not recommend the Procenter 2000?

You could be happy with it. I am sure it was reccomended based
on your budget.
This is the matching center
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-hnKw5gO...CS-8040HD.html

The SM 45 on a tight budget, is a good way to go, and the same type
speaker tends to overall work better.
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Thanks for the advice. I will look more into trying to get the surrounds on the walls. According to that calculator and sitting 17ft from the speakers, I would only need 18 watts per channel. Perhaps I am missing something. At any rate, we won't be watching much material at reference levels with kids in the house.

How many decibels do you want at your seat? 85? And how much headroom do you want to allow for dynamic peaks in movie soundtracks? When you start changing these values, you'll see the power increase significantly.
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You could be happy with it. I am sure it was reccomended based
on your budget.
This is the matching center
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-hnKw5gO...CS-8040HD.html

The SM 45 on a tight budget, is a good way to go, and the same type
speaker tends to overall work better.

I've got a little wiggle room on the budget. He says the speakers I listed are timbre matched. Should I look at something other than the SM 45s?
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I've got a little wiggle room on the budget. He says the speakers I listed are timbre matched. Should I look at something other than the SM 45s?

The SM 55 has my attention
http://www.onecall.com/product/Defin...ker/_/R-112929

I can not speak for the new Studio Monitor sound - however, Definitive
seems to have done some upgrade work, on the BDS woofer and their
aluminium tweeter.

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