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Originally I was going to get these:

http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=468...acture=EDIFIER

Cheap and easy to setup, good reviews, and a far cry above my Logitech X-530 5.1's from half a decade ago.

But I figured I'd invest a little more. I did a lot of research into a real system and this is what I've come down to.

http://www.amazon.com/Energy-Classic.../ref=de_a_smtd

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html

Can't really decide on the wall mounts yet...monoprice has some good ones. Great prices, the Omnimounts are 25$...PER, while for 38$, I can get six steel ones from Monoprice. Tempting.

http://www.monoprice.com/products/su...=10828#1082804

Not sure what would be best for me.

I have about 90 feet of 16 Gauge Speaker wire as well, I figure it'll be enough for my room. I don't know the exact length of my room, but I'd estimate it's 12 x 12. It's really small.


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These are parallel to each other.


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Would this placement be fine?

Also, I looked at the Pioneer set here:

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ages/SP-PK21BS

Same price. Told it sounds better...but the size is worrying for my room and wall mounts. But I mean, at the same price, if it was somehow doable, I'd be interested. It is dual driver...and well, Pioneer. Both are highly reviewed.

Thoughts? Suggestions? Thanks.

Or for better positioning would this be preferred? Remove the secondary monitor..



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I would mount the front channels near ear level. The Pioneer
are good - however, hard to wall mount.

These have 4 1/2 inch woofers and a tweeter, and come with
their own brackets.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...er-Each/1.html

If you buy the 1712 receiver - you may want to switch that, with
the 1312 in your HT room.

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Thanks, but I read about those as well, One of the first I looked into, considering the Boston Speakers I use in my Living Room. However, from all reviews, shows them inferior to the Pioneer and Energy Take Classic.

And wall mounts for the ETC, like I show from Monoprice are 3-7$ a pair, so only like 25-40$ for 6 wall mounts. Not enough for a sub.

http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-spe...3310963-2.html

And yes, mounting the Pioneer does sound like a hefty chore, just reading about people who tried, it quickly becomes -very- expensive, more expensive than the damned speakers themselves(That is, per pair)

I was seriously considering those Soundwares, but I was told they just wouldn't have the soundstage of the Energy Take Classic, or the clean, crisp quality of the soundstage.

http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-spe...-33903065.html

If I'm mounting them where the second pictures show, the Soundwares would look really silly, don't you think?

Though they are 100$ cheaper.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1...=SPM6456343001

Also I really wanted the 1712 for my room due to Auddessy, my 1312 doesn't have that, I figured with my rooms small size and somewhat unique shape, it'd be invaluable.
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I was seriously considering those Soundwares, but I was told they just wouldn't have the soundstage of the Energy Take Classic, or the clean, crisp quality of the soundstage.

http://reviews.cnet.com/surround-spe...-33903065.html

If I'm mounting them where the second pictures show, the Soundwares would look really silly, don't you think?

Though they are 100$ cheaper.

Also I really wanted the 1712 for my room due to Auddessy, my 1312 doesn't have that, I figured with my rooms small size and somewhat unique shape, it'd be invaluable.

The CNET review is for the baby Soundware 2 1/2" woofer. The ones
that I linked are for the 4 1/2 inch woofer. A big difference in overall
sound quality. I would never reccomend the small ones.
Did you think about buying 1612 receiver, it will save you some money.
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Each of the five two-way satellite speakers features a high-performance 2-1/2-inch woofer and a 1/2-inch dome tweeter

http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Sound...tion-P823.aspx

Unless you mean this:

http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Sound...ers--P843.aspx

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Each of the five two-way satellite speakers features a high-performance 3-1/2-inch woofer and a 3/4-inch dome tweeter for a rich, full sound.

The thing that worries me is the weird Center channel. I mean it's just another Soundware...not specifically designed for dialogue or anything.

The whole set of them can be had for 300$.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...cs-soundware-s
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http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Sound...tion-P823.aspx
Unless you mean this:
http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Sound...ers--P843.aspx
The thing that worries me is the weird Center channel. I mean it's just another Soundware...not specifically designed for dialogue or anything.
The whole set of them can be had for 300$.
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/it...cs-soundware-s

Look at my picture >
The one that I linked is the biggest, 4 1/2 inch woofer. The other
sizes are 2 1/2 and 3 1/2 inches. A speaker that is the same as
the left and right speaker, tend to be the best for center channel
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Well, the one you linked, then does not appear on Boston Accoustics website.

And yeah, I thought about the 1612.

But there is this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1334369

Differences between the 1612 & 1712

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* Audyssey MultEQ XT instead of "regular" MultEQ
* 7 channels x 90 watts
* The ability to "assign" the two extra amps
* 6 HDMI inputs (up from 4 on the 1312/1612)
* 2 Component Video inputs with 1 output
* Dedicated "2CH DIRECT/STEREO" menu for configuring 2-channel audio differently than multichannel audio
* Zone 2 functionality (no pre-outs, must be powered via the two "assignable" amps)
* Room-to-room IR jack for hard-wiring a remote control (e.g. from another room or to hide gear in a closet)
* NO USB port

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Well, the one you linked, then does appear on Boston Accoustics website.

This is the one at Boston - cheaper at AC4L
http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Sound...shed-P518.aspx

It is up to you, if you want to buy the one at Vann's (3 1/2" woofer)
I have no preference between that, and the Energy one.

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This is the one at Boston - cheaper at AC4L
http://www.bostonacoustics.com/Sound...shed-P518.aspx

It is up to you, if you want to buy the one at Vann's (3 1/2" woofer)
I have no preference between that, and the Energy one.

I think I'll take the Energy Classic. All reviews so far put them ahead of the Soundware.

Plus, the ETC come with a sub and not a horrible one.

Though a 7.1 setup does interest me. That makes the Soundware semi attractive.

Another 100$...BAM! 7.1 setup.


Course, let us do some math ere'.

5x those.

250$.

So, 150$ less than the ET Classic at this point, AND it comes with mounts, so no need to buy those, so, take out 40$ more.

210$.

That gives me say, 190$ to spend on a sub.

Got one of these for my living room setup; Velodyne comes recommended as the best in the Subwoofer business.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...F8&me=&seller=

160$

That's 30$ less, overall, than the Energy Take Classic.

So it'd only be 70$ more, than my current idea of ETC 5.1 + 1712, to get a 7.1 system + 1712.



It's very tempting, but I can't shake the feeling...those Soundware just seem so weak!
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It's very tempting, but I can't shake the feeling...those Soundware just seem so weak!

Since you like to read reviews - here is one
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...tics-soundware

The final decision is yours.

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Since you like to read reviews - here is one
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...tics-soundware

The final decision is yours.

Mm, yeah, read that beforehand.

But it says not recommended for Home Theater & they mainly work for musical.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...classic-review


Ah, man, this is just such a pain. Was so much easier just looking at PC speakers you hook up. :P
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Ah, man, this is just such a pain. Was so much easier just looking at PC speakers you hook up. :P

You should have a 30 day return policy - you can demo the Energy
in home.
If you are going with smaller woofers - then also check Definitive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882325104

I prefer bigger woofers for HT and music. You may or may not like
the Pioneer, they are laid back and not the most detailed.

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Hmm, I can't find many reviews on the 60's, nor many comparisons to the ET Classic 5.1's..frustrating.

Those look nice and I like how the center is angled, it'd fit perfectly on my desk.

Still, the few comparisons I found, claimed the ET Classics were better sounding.

Can't see any other satellite's in my price range being better than the ET Classic 5.1's...just wanted further confirmation of that.
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Can't see any other satellite's in my price range being better than the ET Classic 5.1's...just wanted further confirmation of that.

All reviews, even the magazine ones are subjective.

You can read this
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...in+logan+mlt+2

In home testing for 30 days is your best option

I still prefer the bigger Bostons

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The Martin's interest me.

They're a well known brand, that's for sure.

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What do you get the Home Theater aficionado who has everything? A basic 5.1 receiver and a Paradigm Cinema set for his or her PC! Overkill? Not for some computer gamers. No "computer" speaker set at any price has anything on these little gems. We tried them for a couple weeks in the computer room where I logged a few dozen hours playing Neverwinter Nights, Combat Flight Sim, and Mechwarrior. A slightly leaner setup would be a pair of 90s, the sub, and Radio Shack's basic integrated amp (photo at right). Yummy!

I hear the MLT-2 is rebranded Cinema 90's.

That review has me interested.

Plus, 450$

http://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-ML.../dp/B0049P2000

50$ more.

Choices.

I'm definitely interested.

You seem like a real cool guy...that's a good article you linked to. You get what I'm after; I went to another audiophile forum and everyone went snobby and recommended 1500$ setups and whatnot and scoffed at the idea of a budget system.

It's come down to this then; Pioneer are to big, and I like detail. The ETC 5.1 promise great detail. The Martin ones interest me as well...but it's hard to say.

So the ETC 5.1 or Martin 5.1

Either or..hmm.
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The Martin's interest me.

They're a well known brand, that's for sure.

I hear the MLT-2 is rebranded Cinema 90's.

That review has me interested.

Plus, 450$

http://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-ML.../dp/B0049P2000

50$ more.

Choices.

I'm definitely interested.

You seem like a real cool guy...that's a good article you linked to. You get what I'm after; I went to another audiophile forum and everyone went snobby and recommended 1500$ setups and whatnot and scoffed at the idea of a budget system.

It's come down to this then; Pioneer are to big, and I like detail. The ETC 5.1 promise great detail. The Martin ones interest me as well...but it's hard to say.

So the ETC 5.1 or Martin 5.1

Either or..hmm.

Had the mlt. Good deal when in sale

No subwoofer I've heard has been able to produce the bass I've experienced in the Corps!

Must..stop...buying...every bluray release...
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The Martin's interest me.

They're a well known brand, that's for sure.
I hear the MLT-2 is rebranded Cinema 90's.

Martin and Paradigm are owned by the same company. Other than
the biggest SoundWare - I favor the Martin MLT-2 for tight budgets.

Energy is popular, and has a lot of fans.

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O, the Soundware VS the Martin MLT-2's, what would you go for between those?

Still don't think I'd get them - they look nice and fit basically anywhere, but I hear they are terrible Surround Speakers, at least Audioholics believes so.
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O, the Soundware VS the Martin MLT-2's, what would you go for between those?

Still don't think I'd get them - they look nice and fit basically anywhere, but I hear they are terrible Surround Speakers, at least Audioholics believes so.

The decision is yours, and only yours. The Martin or Energy, may
be the best ones for you.
I do not mix up reviews with the different SoundWares, I like the
big one > and do not care for the smaller ones. I do not make a
final decision on any review, not even Audioholics.

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You seem to be edging your budget up and have expressed an interest in "detail," so here is another option. If you would be willing to hold off on the subwoofer for awhile, 5 NHT SuperZeros would be a great setup. Then you buy the sub you want to go with them when you can afford it.

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The thing that worries me is the weird Center channel. I mean it's just another Soundware...not specifically designed for dialogue or anything.

Actually, the same exact speaker for the center as the L/R is often considered the best choice because it's an exact tonal match for your front sound stage. Thus, the 5 SuperZeros listed above would work well without having a separately designed center channel.

Otherwise, also watch Newegg for sales on the Take Fives. Every month or two, they seem to have a really good deal on the 5.0 set (around $200-$250), and then you can buy the sub that you like best separately.

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You seem to be edging your budget up and have expressed an interest in "detail," so here is another option. If you would be willing to hold off on the subwoofer for awhile, 5 NHT SuperZeros would be a great setup. Then you buy the sub you want to go with them when you can afford it.

If the budget is going to creep up - I would aim for 3 NHT SuperZeros,
and the Outlaw M8 to start.
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/m8.html

Since the OP likes reviews
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-20042164-47.html

I prefer this, over all my earlier options.

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If your getting the 1712 consider getting a new vs refurbished one. Currently on special at most authorized dealers. World wide stereo currently has it for $259.99 with free shipping.

http://www.wwstereo.com/Denon/AVR1712
enter code STIMULUS at check out.

I just bit on the deal a couple days ago.

FRY's had them last week for $227 in store. Audioholics had them for $230 i think to closeout their inventory.
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Review of the NHT's:

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No dedicated speaker for center channel audio
Occasionally difficult to hear conversations in crowded scenes

I prefer accuracy and I hear the Energy Take Classic's are good for that. These sound like they are muddy.



If I buy just the Energy Take 5.0 system, that'd give me 180$ bac to buy a Subwoofer, instead of the default one that comes with it.

Thoughts in that range? Thanks.

Also, a new 1712 for only 30$ more...-tempting, we'll see what happens.
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If I buy just the Energy Take 5.0 system, that'd give me 180$ bac to buy a Subwoofer, instead of the default one that comes with it.

The Energy s10.3 sub comes on sale for $199 frequently at newegg. The extra $20 would be worth it.

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The Energy s10.3 sub comes on sale for $199 frequently at newegg. The extra $20 would be worth it.

Might go with the Take 5.0 and get that sub you mentioned. Sounds like a good idea.

Any idea on wall mounts? They are back ported, so they can't be flat against the wall...
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No dedicated speaker for center channel audio
Occasionally difficult to hear conversations in crowded scenes

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I prefer accuracy and I hear the Energy Take Classic's are good for that. These sound like they are muddy.

You got that from here, didn't you? Don't listen to those summary sites. They didn't actually do a review; they poorly summarized what the actual pro review at Hometheater.com has to say:

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Dialogue through the center-channel speaker sounded natural, not excessively etched or strident the way some speakers sound. Although I didn’t have to play the up-and-down game to reconcile the volume levels of talk and effects, I did have to listen attentively to conversation partly masked by noise in a crowded pub. A more etched speaker might have better emphasized the voice in this particular scene, but overall, I strongly preferred the SuperZero 2.0’s more balanced way of doing business.

Read the rest of the review, and you'll find that they are considered marvelous speakers at their price point.

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Read the rest of the review, and you'll find that they are considered marvelous speakers at their price point.

There is no real mud with the SuperZero's I for one, would not speculate
about so called reviewer comments. The SuperZero is open, detailed, and
will beat some popular bigger speakers, in the midrange and treble. I would
rather use the SuperZero sat as a center speaker, over some cheap sounding
muddy center speakers. NHT knows what they are doing.

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I dunno, from what I've read, most people are disappointed in the NHT 2.0's, saying the originals were good when they came out, but now adays, you can do much better at their price point.

Besides, aren't they rather large?
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I dunno, from what I've read, most people are disappointed in the NHT 2.0's, saying the originals were good when they came out, but now adays, you can do much better at their price point.

Besides, aren't they rather large?

I do not know what you are reading - and the info that I pick up,
does not agree with this.

No, the NHT are not big - and are wall mountable.
http://www.nhthifi.com/Bookshelf-spe...&category=3772

We are just given you some options to look at - the Energy should
be a good one for you.

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I know and I was interested, but I was told for my rooms size, they aren't good.

Plus it'd be 500$ for just the speakers ,no sub, no receiver.
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