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Dear Gents and Ladies,

I will greatly appreciate your advice to get best in-ceiling speakers.

I was suggested to go with THX Ultra-2 speakers for 5.1 home theatre.
It is not a separate HT room - The floor is open concept and the area is shared with dining and kitchen.

Speakers must be in-ceiling.

Please advise for the case when money is not an issue.

I looked around and found Polk Audio RTS100 and Klipsch KS-7502-THX:

_www.polkaudio.com/customaudio/rts/index.php?s=lcirts100

_www.klipsch.com/ks-7502-thx-in-ceiling-speaker

It seems that both products were release quite a while ago so I am not sure.
Also, Polk RTS100 peaker is not quite seamless in ceiling and you can see a "cone" which I do not like. On another hand, Klipsch KS-7502-THX speaker is not angled and I feel it may be a problem to direct the sound towards listening position.

Some people recommend going with Paradigm Signature in ceiling.
Though I somehow feel that several drivers are better that a single driver (that what Paradigm Signature in-ceiling has).

There are also pretty expensive B&W square in-ceiling speakers which I have been considering:
_www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speakers/Custom_Installation/CI_Series/CCM7.3.html

,but it is not mentioned that they are THX Ultra-2 speakers.

Additionally, I came across Sonance cinema speakers: LCR1S and LCR.5S

_www.sonance.com/products/speakers/detail/553

_www.sonance.com/files/downloads/file/Cinema%20In-Ceiling%20Manual_080909Final.pdf

, But it is also not mentioned that they are THX Ultra-2 speakers.

How important is it to have in-ceiling speakers to be THX Ultra-2 speakers?

I will greatly appreciate your help here.

Thank you so much for your help!
/ John
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Anyone please?
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Look for an angled speaker with a engineered enclosure like speakers from:
Triad
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/icb8lcr.html
http://www.triadspeakers.com/product...geceiling.html

Definitive Technology
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...tid=UIW_RCS_II
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...id=UIW_RCS_III

Episode
http://www.episodespeakers.com/produ...ng-LCR-Speaker

You will not find any angled, in-ceiling speakers that are THX certified, because much of the certification is dealing with directivity. But I wouldn't worry about the THX too much.
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You also haven't given us a budget to help you with your choices.

Also, why MUST they be in-ceiling? What is your room layout like? Where are you placing the tv?
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thank you for your response.

speakers must be in ceiling due to my wife concerns.


Money is not a concern here and I would like to get best quality in order not to upgrade later.

I was looking into these klipsch:

_www.klipsch.com/kl-7502-thx-in-ceiling-speaker

_www.klipsch.com/ks-7502-thx-in-ceiling-speaker

but am concerned since I do really not see that those are angled.

Do you think it is good value for money ~1000$ a speaker or in this case I overpay for the brand name?

Please advice.
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You really have to learn how to do links. None of yours work.
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It looks like just the horn is angled. And I really don't know how they got THX certificaton.
And it's an expensive speaker. If you can do it, I would go with the Triad Bronze LCR speakers instead. They are $700 per and can be custom painted for free. They use a MDF cabinet rather than plastic. And Bronze 4 surrounds for the rears. You could also use the in-ceiling sub10 that they have.
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The Triad's are a good suggestion, but you will want to make sure your AVR can handle 4m ohm loads. The Klipsch are also a good choice. As far as the drivers on the Klipsch, The off axis response of the drivers must be pretty good for them to have gotten THX certification.

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thank you for your response.

speakers must be in ceiling due to my wife concerns.


Money is not a concern here and I would like to get best quality in order not to upgrade later.

I was looking into these klipsch:

www.klipsch.com/kl-7502-thx-in-ceiling-speaker

www.klipsch.com/ks-7502-thx-in-ceiling-speaker

but am concerned since I do really not see that those are angled.

Do you think it is good value for money ~1000$ a speaker or in this case I overpay for the brand name?

Please advice.

here, now the links work.
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I bought 4 of the HTD R65's for surround sound and 4 of the R80's for whole house music (and put them in Monday).

I think the sound is fantastic, clear, bass, etc.

My vote anyway

http://www.htd.com/Products/high-definition
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I would not be too concerned with the THX Ultra II certification on speakers. I have THX certified in-walls, but that was not why I chose them. The most important parts to me are efficiency, ohms rating, wattage, 2 way/3 way, directional tweeter (not just fixed angled), woofer and driver size, enclosed, etc. And most importantly, how they sound and do I like the sound.

If looking for a front stage, the speakers need to be angled toward the listener and more importantly the tweeter needs to be movable more than the typical 12 degrees. Although a 12 degree angle is better than straight down, based on a 8' ceiling, the sound will be projected 2 - 3 feet in front of the speaker. Most people sit a good 10 -12' back from the TV or screen - this is why you need a movable tweeter to angle further than 12 degrees.

Hope this helps
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Thank you all for your responses.

Can you please suggest more examples on 2 way/3 way with directional tweeter ?

I initially liked those Klipsch in celing speakers but now I am confused since those are not really angled:

www.klipsch.com/kl-7502-thx-in-ceiling-speaker

Some people here recommend: definitivetech RCS_II:
http://www.definitivetech.com/Produc...tid=UIW_RCS_II

Some people suggest Martinlogan Vanquish:
http://www.martinlogan.com/architect...x.php#vanquish

Martinlogan mentions using electrostatic transducer. Is it very specific to them? hard on amps?

I am currently looking into B&W square in-ceiling speakers:

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...es/CCM7.3.html

I like the fact that it is a three-way speaker and it is big. However, there are no adjustment possible to its parts.

They also have another model, which features a an angled cone for directionality.

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...es/CCM818.html

The speaker's 8 inch driver is fitted at an angle of 12 degrees, thereby retaining some of the CCM 817's sound directionality.

Additionally,

some people recommend Sonance though I have not heard about them at all:
http://www.sonance.com/products/speakers/detail/555

Any personal experience with them?

Additionally,

I am looking into Paradigm Signature in ceiling, which is 2-driver,
2-way in-ceiling, drivers mounted at 30°
relative to mounting surface:

http://www.paradigm.com/products/pro...es/sig-1-5r-30

Another option is Jbl Ls360c 3-way In-ceiling Home Theater Speaker With Radiator Plus Woofer:

http://www.jbl.com/EN-CA/Products/Pa...spx?PID=LS360C

However, I am not sure about JBL in comparison to others from my experience.




If you could provide your insight here, I will be very grateful.

Thank you for your advice!
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I am looking into Paradigm Signature in ceiling, which is 2-driver,
2-way in-ceiling, drivers mounted at 30°
relative to mounting surface:

http://www.paradigm.com/products/pro...es/sig-1-5r-30

If you could provide your insight here, I will be very grateful.

Thank you for your advice!

I didn't get the Sigs, but I did install a pair of Paradigm SA 15-R30s in my ceiling for surrounds. I have them aimed at the listening position, they are a few feet behind and to the sides. So far I'm happy with them.
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I am getting a sound system with all in-ceiling speakers and have talked to quite a few people and heard demo of in ceiling sound system. The one that I liked the most is Klipsch 7.1 with all 7 ceiling speakers being Klipsch 12" (Different ones for different application).

I heard it with 13" JL Audio sub, but I plan to get 13" in wall sub from JL Audio.

This is what I have been explained, and it does make sense to me. High frequency sound is directional (tweeter or horn in this case) where as mid and base is not. Hence the horn is adjustable and angled. Mid and sub in Klipsch speaker face downword and create a sound field right underneath the speaker, which is what you need to hear from your seat, in order to get the delayed sound (surround). If speakers were aimed right at you, the delay would not be as much, which again, can be adjusted during initial setup of your receiver.

If money is not a concern, I highly suggest JL Audio in-wall sub (single or a pair depending on the size of the room) and I think you wont regret going for my suggestion. The system is just heavenly. I can't wait to have it in my home.

Let me know if there is anyone who has heard a Klipsch system against some other system and has found it superior. I'd be interested in re-evaluating my experience and open to change my mind.

Also, my ML 350 has harmon kardon surround sound system and Klipsch system is absolutely comparable to that.

Good luck!

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If price is really not a issue, these will astound you.
http://www.harmonycentral.com/blogs/News-Genelec/2007/10/17/aiw25-in-wall-loudspeaker-aic25-in-ceiling-loudspeaker-and-aow312-on-wall-loudspeaker-systems

Last time I priced them out, they were around $3500 each speaker.
You would be hard pressed to find a place to audition them though.
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I would also check these out. They look pretty cool to me, and he has had some great praise for past designs. They are said to be full range.
http://www.jamesloudspeaker.com/index.cfm?page=ceiling


http://www.jamesloudspeaker.com/index.cfm?page=by_series&id=33&sr=1
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Johnsap - what speakers did you choose I am building a similar setup and I have the same needs as you.
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I realy enjoy my speakercraft 8 fives, can't say much about others
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