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post #31 of 37 Old 05-18-2012, 06:05 PM
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but other surround options are really bit mild or is it just my perception i dont know

Except for five channel stereo, Dolby PLII and DTS-Neo, pretty much all simulated surround modes on a A/V receiver are designed to produce a larger and/or different sounding space - "bubble of sound" - inside one's living room. And this means generating different types of reverberation - or "echoes" - and most of that emanates through the rear channels. That reverberation is almost always very indistinct; it is played at a much lower level relative to the front channels; it lacks low bass........and it also usually means the highest frequencies are missing or they are intentionally softened.

BTW I think some simulated surround modes can sound good*, but the speakers (proper locations) and the receiver (distance settings, reverb rate but especially channel levels!) must be set-up properly. Otherwise, all you'll get is an artificial, funhouse-like effect that only serves to disrespect the music.


* many DSP surround sound simulation chips contain software that includes soundfield parameters (not sure if that's the correct term) measured at actual performance venues around the world. The first receiver I heard with such a system, and which sounded surprisingly realistic!, was the Pioneer VSX-D2, a $1,600 receiver sold back in 1994. IIRC Yamaha was one of the first to implement such a system.
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Except for five channel stereo, Dolby PLII and DTS-Neo, pretty much all simulated surround modes on a A/V receiver are designed to produce a larger and/or different sounding space - "bubble of sound" - inside one's living room. And this means generating different types of reverberation - or "echoes" - and most of that emanates through the rear channels. That reverberation is almost always very indistinct; it is played at a much lower level relative to the front channels; it lacks low bass........and it also usually means the highest frequencies are missing or they are intentionally softened.

Exactly thats how my rear speakers sounds in a 5.1 channel settings where as in 2 channel mode the highs are crisp.Thanks for enlightening me about this facts Donutfan .but i never came across this concept any where else can you please point me to some source so that i can learn more about it

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BTW I think some simulated surround modes can sound good*, but the speakers (proper locations) and the receiver (distance settings, reverb rate but especially channel levels!) must be set-up properly. Otherwise, all you'll get is an artificial, funhouse-like effect that only serves to disrespect the music.

Thanks will work on it.
do let me know which songs do u sue to audition the speakers,

Thanks once again
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Exactly thats how my rear speakers sounds in a 5.1 channel settings where as in 2 channel mode the highs are crisp.Thanks for enlightening me about this facts Donutfan .but i never came across this concept any where else can you please point me to some source so that i can learn more about it

It all came from my head.

Seriously: some of it comes from reading about it, but most of it came from experimenting with my own systems, other people's systems & even from store demo systems, and doing lots of listening.

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Take all that stuff back.. Go thru Vann's and get the OMD series.. Same price and its worlds better. I heard those speaker you have at best buy also and they sound small. Get the OMD series and don't look back. I've had them and they are really good. But I ended up going with Martin Logan electrostat esl's..
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Take all that stuff back.. Go thru Vann's and get the OMD series.. Same price and its worlds better. I heard those speaker you have at best buy also and they sound small. Get the OMD series and don't look back. I've had them and they are really good. But I ended up going with Martin Logan electrostat esl's..

Lowtech are you talking about OMD-5? I am using OS3 sat, are OMD-5 better than OS3 Sat ?
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Lowtech are you talking about OMD-5? I am using OS3 sat, are OMD-5 better than OS3 Sat ?

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