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Hello everyone. I am buying my first home early next year I am going to build a dedicated Home Theater room. I have about 3000.00 to spend on the speakers and sub and receiver. I would love to have a 7.1 as more and more blu-rays are coming out in 7.1 but am not stuck on it. With this budget, what are the best speakers, sub, and receiver I can get? I want the best sound I can get. I have ideas but would love your input. I have about an extra 500.00 to play with too but if I can stay on budget or even under it would be great. Thanks!!

I currently have the entry Andrew Jones system from Pioneer. It rocks, but I want a top tier system for my house.
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If you want top quality sound and want to hold the budget, I suggest that you start with 5.1 and add a couple of additional speakers later.

The best receiver money can buy is the Cambridge Audio 650R; it has a power supply twice the size of any other receiver (1500 watts!), and as a result can put out 100 watts per channel with all 7 channels driven. No other receiver comes close. It also has the best-sounding audio of any receiver at any price IMO, and the review in Home Theater magazine backs that up! It is listed at $1800, but I see it for $1200 at one website. There are MANY receivers for $3000 that can't match it; a great value.

For speakers, I suggest KEF; they have some excellent speakers at good prices right now. The iQ70 speakers are $800 per pair, and the iQ30 speakers are $400 per pair, and the iq60C is $299. That is $1500 total from KEF Direct, and those would have cost well over $2300 originally. Good deal; great speakers.

The subs from Rythmic are hard to beat; the FV12 is only $549 and is very good.


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Hello everyone. I am buying my first home early next year I am going to build a dedicated Home Theater room. I have about 3000.00 to spend on the speakers and sub and receiver. I would love to have a 7.1 as more and more blu-rays are coming out in 7.1 but am not stuck on it. With this budget, what are the best speakers, sub, and receiver I can get? I want the best sound I can get. I have ideas but would love your input. I have about an extra 500.00 to play with too but if I can stay on budget or even under it would be great. Thanks!!

I currently have the entry Andrew Jones system from Pioneer. It rocks, but I want a top tier system for my house.

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Thanks for your input! Im going to do some research on the receiver as we speak.
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Not to argue but I had a 650R and got rid of it. The first one had some loose stuff rattling around inside. The second one would randomly turn the picture to static along with the sound, plus had all those annoying digital pops and loss of audio for a few seconds with all digital sources. Sent it back for repair and firmware upgrades. Pops were still there, although better. However this time when the screen went out it went black but still had static. Also, the receiver would randomly turn itself off. I ruled out power, heat (this was in my room in the winter when I keep the temp between 58 and 60), other sources and cables. I find it hard to believe that I had 2 receivers both the same model that had issues.

My MRX 700 has been working almost flawlessly. The few little issues I had were corrected via firmware that you can update yourself and not have to send it and pay to get it done once you are out of warranty.
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Arx speakers from The Audio Insider are a awesome value. A pair of A3 towers for fronts, A2 center and could do the A2 LCRs are surrounds as well. 5.0

Total $1,066.00 + shipping

Receiver Onkyo TX-NR 809 from Accessories4less $589.99 Factory Refrub with warranty. Many on AVS and other sites love A4less and most have always got top notch product are significant price reductions.

A pair of HSU VTF2 MK4s and your right at budget.
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arx speakers from the audio insider are a awesome value. A pair of a3 towers for fronts, a2 center and could do the a2 lcrs are surrounds as well. 5.0

total $1,066.00 + shipping

receiver onkyo tx-nr 809 from accessories4less $589.99 factory refrub with warranty. Many on avs and other sites love a4less and most have always got top notch product are significant price reductions.

A pair of hsu vtf2 mk4s and your right at budget.

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How big is the room? Do you want a system for reference level playback? Are you using a projector screen, and is it acoustically transparent?
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Thanks for all the input guys. Jay, I will purchasing a home next year. I am looking to build the room in the basement. There are plenty of homes with open basements around my area so I have wiggle room as to how big the room will be once its sealed off from the rest of the basement. You do bring up a great point though. I would like to fit two rows of three seating wise. Rough estimate would be a 15-20ft by 12-15ft. I will be using a projector and an accoustically transparent screen as the idea of placing speakers behind it is intruiging. I shouldve mentioned it guys. Sorry. The projector I am looking at is a Panny AE7000. Im looking to avoid the purchase of a anamorphic lens.
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Gtpsuper24 Thanks for the input and the website. Good to know its a reputable source.
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You are not missing anything with 5.1 vs 7.1.

Remember, 50% of the movie soundtrack is in the center channel. Majority of the rest is in the front Left & Right. So that leaves like 10% - 20% to the surround. So why would we need 4 speakers for 20% of the soundtrack, yet 3 speakers for about 80% of the soundtrack?

Quality over quantity.

Just get 5.1 and get better quality speakers.
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Thanks for all the input guys. Jay, I will purchasing a home next year. I am looking to build the room in the basement. There are plenty of homes with open basements around my area so I have wiggle room as to how big the room will be once its sealed off from the rest of the basement. You do bring up a great point though. I would like to fit two rows of three seating wise. Rough estimate would be a 15-20ft by 12-15ft. I will be using a projector and an accoustically transparent screen as the idea of placing speakers behind it is intruiging. I shouldve mentioned it guys. Sorry. The projector I am looking at is a Panny AE7000. Im looking to avoid the purchase of a anamorphic lens.

Sounds good, just wanted to make sure you didn't have a massive room which would create a need for a disproportionate sub budget. I'm a firm believer in having three vertical speakers up front if your setup allows, and yours will, so regular center channels are out. You will also need 7.1 with multiple rows of seating.

Given your budget, possible room size, and being a dedicated theater, I think something like this would suit you well

CHT SHO-10 X3 LCR $1200

Bic PL66 surrounds x2 pr $440

Outlaw LFM1 EX $650


Denon 3312
$650

Just under $3k. Your budget wiggle room would cover shipping costs for a few of the items.
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Spend the majority of your budget on speakers and sub. Forget about 7.1 and concentrate on 5.1. With that kind of budget, I would not be looking at an AVR that was higher than the Denon 3312. To do so would subtract too much from the speaker budget. Speakers and screens (if doing front projection) are your long tern items. AVR's and projectors get replaced a lot more often. If we can help you with selection and advice, shoot us an email.

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AVR: Denon AVR-2312CI - $500

Sub: Outlaw LFM-1 EX - $739

Speakers: 3xAscend Acoustics CMT-340 SE + 4xHTM-200 SE - $1374

Total: $2613

All prices include shipping costs, plus the substantial system discount from Ascend. This leaves $387 for stands and mounts. Four OmniMount 20.0s come in at $110, and the rest should cover the stands for the three front speakers. You'll have to special-order three vertically-oriented (including the center) CMT-340 SEs plus a stand for each--just give Ascend a ring and tell them what you're doing and what you want. Or you could use whatever stands and mounts you prefer or can make yourself.
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AVR: Denon AVR-2312CI - $500

Sub: Outlaw LFM-1 EX - $739

Speakers: 3xAscend Acoustics CMT-340 SE + 4xHTM-200 SE - $1374

Total: $2613

All prices include shipping costs, plus the substantial system discount from Ascend. This leaves $387 for stands and mounts. Four OmniMount 20.0s come in at $110, and the rest should cover the stands for the three front speakers. You'll have to special-order three vertically-oriented (including the center) CMT-340 SEs plus a stand for each--just give Ascend a ring and tell them what you're doing and what you want. Or you could use whatever stands and mounts you prefer or can make yourself.


I really like this one too. I would want a little more power behind those 340's, especially with the receiver pushing 7 channels.
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Ok, why not the Ascend Sierra 1's?

Soon...pic of my measly setup
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I love all the ideas guys. Researching all of them. What is your opinion Boston Acoustics verticals and Definitive Technology?
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This Boston will give you some serious sound
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...s/1.html#!more

The BT2 can also work as a center, or the BT1
http://www.bostonacoustics.com/BT1-R...shed-P836.aspx

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I really like this one too.

By the way, I haven't heard the system that you suggested (although I had heard of the brand), but I do find it rather intriguing, to say the least. If you've heard it personally, what are its characteristics?

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I would want a little more power behind those 340's, especially with the receiver pushing 7 channels.

Heh, I was striving to stay under the budget, for once, as I go slightly over the budget almost every time I make recommendations. Perhaps the Denon AVR-2312CI would be enough, depending on the OP's desired listening levels, which haven't been specified, but the AVR-3312CI is a safer bet, especially with its 7.2 pre-outs. Alright, for $150 more I'd recommend moving up to the AVR-3312CI (I'm still under the budget, as the OP said nothing about stands and mounts ).

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Ok, why not the Ascend Sierra 1's?

The Sierra-1 could certainly work in a room of this size, but they're still smaller and their efficiency is somewhat on the low side. They're also pricier, which implies trade-offs in other areas (e.g. would have to move the subwoofer selection down a notch). I'd gladly recommend them for some people and situations, depending on their budget and preferences (e.g. if music were a high priority, not that the 340 is a slouch in that area), but in my view, not in this case. There is nothing wrong with recommending it, though--with the Memorial Day $100 discount on the Sierra-1 left & right fronts going on right now, you could still fit the Outlaw LFM-1 Plus subwoofer within the budget--maybe this combination would provide enough output, depending on what the OP wants, and he did say "I want the best sound I can get."
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Haven't heard most of the options listed but have heard and own these. You can go with one of these setups. Best I've heard for the money.

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid3pkg.html
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Sounds good, just wanted to make sure you didn't have a massive room which would create a need for a disproportionate sub budget. I'm a firm believer in having three vertical speakers up front if your setup allows, and yours will, so regular center channels are out. You will also need 7.1 with multiple rows of seating.

Given your budget, possible room size, and being a dedicated theater, I think something like this would suit you well

CHT SHO-10 X3 LCR $1200

Bic PL66 surrounds x2 pr $440

Outlaw LFM1 EX $650


Denon 3312
$650

Just under $3k. Your budget wiggle room would cover shipping costs for a few of the items.


i'm with jay here for a strictly home theater the sho-10's and the outlaw lfm1- ex sub and denon avr but i would use your pioneer speakers you own for rears and pick up another outlaw lfm1-ex sub just my 2 cents

i'm so laid back,i'm laid out
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Hybrids look nice! Had never heard of these before.
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Ok, why not the Ascend Sierra 1's?

On sale this weekend. Looking into these as surround speakers!

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...SRM1/srm1.html

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I would get the Def Tech BP-8020 5.1 system for $2195, then pair it up with a Cambridge Audio 650R and voila. Instant home theatre
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