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There are the believer's and there are the non believers, i belong to the first group BUT to a certain point, NO not all cables sound the same, but there is a limit on how much i am willing to pay, if you have been around for a while you know how it work's in audio stores they make MOST of their money on accessories and the most lucrative is CABLES it's 500% MINIMUM no i'm not kidding it's that much i buy good cables i don't exagerate and i always buy USED last cable i bought was a 10 foot pair of Tara Labs Temporal Continuum speaker cables they have been discontinued for a very long time RETAIL price in the 90s was about $2,500.00 for the pair bought them used shipped to Canada from Italy paid $550.00 shipping included yes these cables are over 20 years old BUT the only thing that as changed is the PRICE it is still after more than 20 years one great cable FOR ME you should not spend more than 15% of the amount of your system for ALL your cables but that is only MY opinion take it or leave it IT'S YOUR MONEY.


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I agree 110%. So do some of the most respected members of the AES.
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A short article on bias. You can't escape it.
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There are the believer's and there are the non believers, i belong to the first group BUT to a certain point, NO not all cables sound the same, but there is a limit on how much i am willing to pay, if you have been around for a while you know how it work's in audio stores they make MOST of their money on accessories and the most lucrative is CABLES it's 500% MINIMUM no i'm not kidding it's that much i buy good cables i don't exagerate and i always buy USED last cable i bought was a 10 foot pair of Tara Labs Temporal Continuum speaker cables they have been discontinued for a very long time RETAIL price in the 90s was about $2,500.00 for the pair bought them used shipped to Canada from Italy paid $550.00 shipping included yes these cables are over 20 years old BUT the only thing that as changed is the PRICE it is still after more than 20 years one great cable FOR ME you should not spend more than 15% of the amount of your system for ALL your cables but that is only MY opinion take it or leave it IT'S YOUR MONEY.
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I don't want to sound like an ******* but my jaw dropped when you wrote $550 after saying you have a limit.

I'm certainly no expert on this subject however my brother used to work for an electronics store and they sold the "high-end" insanely overpriced cables for those gullible enough. Luckily few actually were so they gave a bunch of this stuff away at a staff party after sitting on the shelf for a couple of years.

My brother won a HDMI cable (RRP $999) RCA cable (RRP $499) and some pre-cut speaker wire with spades on the ends (RRP $279 per 2.5 metre long cable) amongst some other stuff that was actually useful. Anyway he gave them all to me since he had zero use for them and knew I was big into home theatre. At the time I didn't know anything about cables apart from the basics so I was pretty excited to have some really high end stuff in my system.

You should have seen my face when I hooked everything up, I was like a kid who'd just been told santa doesn't exist. Here I was thinking they would be a noticeable improvement over my bargain bin spool of speaker wire, $20 sub cable and HDMI cable that came bundled with my PS3 yet there was no difference at all. AT ALL. Sure they were built to withstand a nuclear explosion and looked beautiful (even though you could barely see them) but all together they cost more than my entire speaker setup at the time!

I do feel sorry for people that get sucked into this pseudo-science. However I have no sympathy for those who actually believe these cables are making a difference, especially to the extreme amounts some describe.
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What the hell is that stupid cheap plastic box supposed to do?
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What the hell is that stupid cheap plastic box supposed to do?
15 I was thinking the same thing, looks like the kind of thing you'd see connecting an Atari 2600 to a TV.
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I agree with the blogger. There are some cable characteristics that matter, to be sure, but they're all basic and well understood--it's the truly esoteric stuff that is nonsensical.
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IMO, if there is no significant ROI of expensive wires than I rather save my money for something else. This topic will be debated over and over again.
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What the hell is that stupid cheap plastic box supposed to do?

Crank the dial to 11 and see!
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I have a couple of high quality cables that can make any speaker sound much better. Anyone interested should PM me.
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I think the only real difference between cheap and expensive cables is the BUILD quality. More expensive cables will tend to have tougher housings and connectors. I don't believe the cable itself (i.e. the metal inside) would be much different between the two.
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lmao

If I had 2 grand or w/e to spend on anything that improves the sound quality of my stem I would do either of these...


A) Room Treatment
B) Better Speakers or receiver
C) Buy good music, lol


People I tell ya....

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I think the only real difference between cheap and expensive cables is the BUILD quality. More expensive cables will tend to have tougher housings and connectors. I don't believe the cable itself (i.e. the metal inside) would be much different between the two.
True, to some extent. But the law of diminishing returns kicks in very early on. No cable is worth more than a dollar per foot plus five bucks each for connectors.
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The only thing that I care about when it comes to my speaker wire is the gauge, and I'm even negotiable on that. If your speakers are 6 feet or less away from your receiver, you could probably use speaker wire the size of fishing wire vs speaker wire the size of a garden hose and still get almost the same audio quality. It isn't until the really long runs that it really starts to matter. And even at long runs, difference in audio is highly debatable.

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Ah, AVS, the last audio forum where sanity remains. This thread on any other forum would have the youtube critic crucified by now, with poster after poster saying
  • He hasn''t even tried them!
  • If he had he would tell the difference immediately.
  • If he couldn't, it's the rest of his gear which can't resolve it.
  • Even my wife can hear the difference!

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I have a couple of high quality cables that can make any speaker sound much better. Anyone interested should PM me.

I'm sure you believe you do. I used to believe i could make my wife happy.
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Please no trolling people. He is entitled to like those speaker cables. Maybe they do sound pretty good.
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cables don't "sound" good... cables don't make "sound"... they carry a signal...

if you put something active in the middle, sure you can modify the signal... why you would want to, i'm not sure... there are far easier/better ways to accomplish signal modification... not to mention cheaper...

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After you said all that you post a pic of something that patently ISN"T a cable. Anything that has the thermostat for your electric blanket in the middle is NOT a cable.

An audiophile likes to talk about how much they spent and how good it sounds.

A DIY'er likes to talk about how little they spent and how good it sounds.

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I really want to know what that dial is supposed to do.

What kind of passive electric device could there possibly be on a cable that would ever improve the sound it transmits??
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I wonder if that heating pad dial can turn down the suck when listening to Nickleback? smile.gif

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So if you spend a few grand on cables, do you also spend a few grand on the internal wiring of the speaker?

I just don't get how the uber expensive cables could make a difference if the inside of the speaker still uses very basic wiring.
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That's of course one of the big knocks. Internal speaker components and wiring is almost invariably generic 16-20g hookup wire. And of course the in-wall power cable connected to that $500 power cable is 10 cents a foot romex.
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So if you spend a few grand on cables, do you also spend a few grand on the internal wiring of the speaker?
I just don't get how the uber expensive cables could make a difference if the inside of the speaker still uses very basic wiring.

As I like to say: 3 feet of religion can't fix 200 miles of sin.
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Speaker cables can somewhat (I think) alter the sound of a speaker. When I bought my Mirage M5si speakers, the dealer offered me a pair of
1" diameter expensive cables for 1/4 the price. I tried them and the speakers sounded a little dull and too laid back. I preferred the sound of the 16ga
wire I was going to use. I've always used 16/14ga for everything. Your house is probably wired with 14ga romex.

But aside from that Lee Noel of Monster Cable is a very, very rich man. People buy his products because they don't know any better...and some guy
at Best Buy talks them into the purchase.

It's ture if you spend thousands on speaker cable and such....you're gonna hear a difference....but your friends or whoever won't.

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So if you spend a few grand on cables, do you also spend a few grand on the internal wiring of the speaker?
I just don't get how the uber expensive cables could make a difference if the inside of the speaker still uses very basic wiring.

The fancy cable will not do anything to the crossover network, it will not transform/transfigure the network or cable inside.
If it could do anything, then maybe Sony could sell a lot more cheap speakers.biggrin.gif

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I do believe that different cables of different construction can and do sound different eek.gif
I also don't believe it is worth hundreds of dollars, or more, to attain that difference wink.gif
Buy different types of bulk wire, there are all kinds of home-brew diy articles on the web, experiment, find what works for you cool.gif

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There are a half dozen to a dozen things that absolutely make a noticeable difference. All matter far more than cables - which matter a tiny bit or not at all depending on who you believe.

And if you expand your view to try to think about what gives the most enjoyment, rather than just the best audio quality, there are a whole bunch of things that matter more still.

There's plenty of far more important areas to spend time and money on.

It's genuinely stupid to keep bringing this topic up.
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I was sneered at in Best Buy when I told the sales person (when he said Monster makes that cable and we can order it!) I refuse to buy Monster Cables, over priced. Everyone has their limits But thanks to AVS I don't have to spend lots of hard earned money on cables.

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