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post #91 of 113 Old 06-22-2012, 12:04 PM
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Don't buy any speaker till you listen to these B&Ws
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The speakers of the rich and famous and ignorant of audio, perhaps. Those, like other B&Ws, are overpriced for what you get.

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Honestly, I don't believe their findings. Those are thin watts, not heavy weight watts.. Yea, it sounds crazy, I know, but I just don't what else to call it....
I'm sure the 3312 will be ok with most speakers, with a sub doing all the heavy work...

Thin watts? Heavy watts? This is good stuff! Please explain what you mean.

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I would definitely go to BB and try to listen to as many different setups as you can. They do not have the Energy's but you can here the CF line and compare floor standing to bookshelf. Remember you can always add speakers at different times in order to build the best system for your budget. If I were in your shoes I would worry about the front soundstage first and get the RC- 70's and the RC- LCR. Then build your budget back up and lookout for deals on the surrounds and subwoofers.

Thanks.

I was thinking I would do the following:

1. Buy the RC LCR at $250
2. buy RC 10 pair at $230 today since it is a good deal. Set up 3.0
3. Within a month buy S10.3. Setup 3.1
3. in a few months, buy RC 70 pair and then move RC 10 as the surround speakers. Setup 5.1

What do you say?
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Thanks.
I was thinking I would do the following:
1. Buy the RC LCR at $250
2. buy RC 10 pair at $230 today since it is a good deal. Set up 3.0
3. Within a month buy S10.3. Setup 3.1
3. in a few months, buy RC 70 pair and then move RC 10 as the surround speakers. Setup 5.1
What do you say?

Just bought

RC LCR - $250
RC 10 pair - $230
S10.3 - $170
TOTAL - $650 for 3.1 setup. I am happy smile.gifsmile.gif

Now cannot wait to set it up and will keep looking for a good RC 70 price

Thank you all of you for your awesome inputs
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Good speakers for those prices. And I think you have a good plan for adding more speakers over time. Well done. smile.gif
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Good speakers for those prices. And I think you have a good plan for adding more speakers over time. Well done. smile.gif

Thank you!!! Hopefully RC70 will come around $200 price range smile.gif
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Thanks.
I was thinking I would do the following:
1. Buy the RC LCR at $250
2. buy RC 10 pair at $230 today since it is a good deal. Set up 3.0
3. Within a month buy S10.3. Setup 3.1
3. in a few months, buy RC 70 pair and then move RC 10 as the surround speakers. Setup 5.1
What do you say?

Just bought

RC LCR - $250
RC 10 pair - $230
S10.3 - $170
TOTAL - $650 for 3.1 setup. I am happy smile.gifsmile.gif

Now cannot wait to set it up and will keep looking for a good RC 70 price

Thank you all of you for your awesome inputs
had this before. Awesome sq for the price

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Great plan, very good decision, you will be happy for now and ecstatic when you add the rc 70's. The forum is great for advice but don't get confused by the technical mumbo jumbo from the so called audio experts. If you are just starting out (as I am) most decent systems will sound pretty good to you. The one you are choosing will be perfect for your needs and is very similar to the system I will be purchasing for my dedicated room once it is built. Good choice! smile.gif
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Congrats! I think you are going to be impressed with your purchase given how much you spent. smile.gif

If this is your first Denon receiver, AVS member batpig's guides for Denon and Audyssey will help. To get the most of your setup, you definitely need to run Audyssey as it will integrate the sub and speakers and implement some EQ that will make them sound better in your room.
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Congrats! I think you are going to be impressed with your purchase given how much you spent. smile.gif
If this is your first Denon receiver, AVS member batpig's guides for Denon and Audyssey will help. To get the most of your setup, you definitely need to run Audyssey as it will integrate the sub and speakers and implement some EQ that will make them sound better in your room.

Thank you Cel. Yes I will refer to that guide when I am setting it up and am sure will be back with more questions
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I also purchased the Denon 3312 on the Amazon sale last week. I am strongly leaning towards Klipsch Ref II series, probably 52's or 62's with the compatible center and surrounds. Already have a Ref 12 inch sub. I know some don't like the horns, but was wanting to get some opinions on what everyone thought of this set up.
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I also purchased the Denon 3312 on the Amazon sale last week. I am strongly leaning towards Klipsch Ref II series, probably 52's or 62's with the compatible center and surrounds. Already have a Ref 12 inch sub. I know some don't like the horns, but was wanting to get some opinions on what everyone thought of this set up.

You've already summed it up. Some people find Klipsch Ref speakers too fatiguing because of the horns; others like them. But some people also choose them because of their high sensitivity.

If you just got the RW12-D and paid a lot for it, you should return it and get it from Newegg today (one day special) for $300 shipped (promo code EMCYTZT1793)

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Thanks for the input. Actually, I bought this sub last year on sale for $350 from Newegg. Thanks for the heads up.
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Hi all ,
I'm new to this forum, jumped to a recent Amazon deal for Denon 3312ci, just curious what do you think about my setup:

- Denon 3312CI (550$)
- 2 x Mirage OS3-FS Omnipolar Tower Floorstanding Speaker - Front L/R (399$) - running now in 2.1 mode
- 2 x Mirage OS3-FS Omnipolar Tower Floorstanding Speaker - Rear L/R (399$) - waiting for next week arrival
- 1 x Mirage Omni-S8 8-Inch 400 Watt Subwoofer (169$) - running now
- also thinking on adding 1 x Mirage Os3-Cc Premium Omnipolar 3Way Center-Channel Speaker (230$)

- Samsung C9000 55 LED TV -

I'm running DVD player + Comcast HD DVR to Denon over HDMIs + one HDMI to Samsung HDMI(ARC) port

my room is 27 x 18 feet which open thru a 3x8.5 ft opening to a small kitchen 14 x 7 and corridor 14x 4 - all with floor to ceiling 9.5ft and front and right walls 75% covered with floor to ceiling windows

so far I was able to achieve ARC function from TV to Denon , but still working and cant make it consistent on how to properly do automatic DENON switching from one TV source to another (Amplifier IN to TV Air to TV Smart Hub to TV USB video playing)

I love the sound of my 2.1 system playing Duke Ellington FLAC files

what do you think, anything you would change or recommend ?

So far I'm happy, but again I'm upgrading from 10Wx2 samsung TV speakers smile.gif

Thanks Mike
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While the Mirage Omni S8 is a very nice 8" sub, it is nowhere near enough for your room. Best used for bedrooms and other very small rooms. Sub performance is tied to the volume (not area) of your room and any open areas that connect to it since the sub works by moving air; it's not going to keep up well with those towers at higher volumes. Plus, for HT usage, it's generally best to have a sub that extends well down close to 20hz; the Omni S8 won't do that.

So yeah. You way underallocated your budget on the sub. You need a powerful 12" or 15" sub for that size space. Look at HSU, SVS, and Outlaw Audio for good subs.

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Thank you for an advise,
do you think I'm better of returning my Omni S-8 Sub for now and running my system without any Sub at all since I'm not ready in investing 1000+$ for a 12" Sub at this moment

Do you think I would even notice any lower-bass sound difference running 4 x OS-3 FS without Omni S-8 in my room ?

Thx Mike
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While the Mirage Omni S8 is a very nice 8" sub, it is nowhere near enough for your room. Best used for bedrooms and other very small rooms. Sub performance is tied to the volume (not area) of your room and any open areas that connect to it since the sub works by moving air; it's not going to keep up well with those towers at higher volumes. Plus, for HT usage, it's generally best to have a sub that extends well down close to 20hz; the Omni S8 won't do that.
So yeah. You way underallocated your budget on the sub. You need a powerful 12" or 15" sub for that size space. Look at HSU, SVS, and Outlaw Audio for good subs.
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Do you think I would even notice any lower-bass sound difference running 4 x OS-3 FS without Omni S-8 in my room ?
Thx Mike

Run the two you have without the Omni S8 and listen to the difference.

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AVR-3312CI’s left channel, from CD input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads, reaches 1 percent distortion at 143.3 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reaches 1 percent distortion at 225.5 watts.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/denon-avr-3312ci-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures
225watts into 4ohms is not enough?

Thanks for posting this. I have the Denon 3312ci and just purchased Paradigm Studio speakers (haven't arrived yet). Here's an excerpt from the Paradigm website (for the Studio 20 v5) that seems to indicate that the Denon AVR will provide plenty of power. My room is 15' X 19' with 10' ceilings. Am I missing something?


Suitable Amplifier Power Range - 15 - 180 watts

Maximum Input Power - 110 watts

Impedance - Compatible with 8 ohms
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I did it yesterday and don't hear much of a difference when running general USB-FLAC files ex: Duke E. / Eric Clapton

but as I understand it takes >50hrs to break any Sub thru ? ( I did my Audissey setup with all 8 points with my Sub Volume 50%.) I even tried running two Omni S-8 - dont see much of a difference vs using one ( I had one as a replacement for cosmetic damage)

and again its not like I'm not happy smile.gif

is it possible my Front L/R OS3-FS provide enough bass ?

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Run the two you have without the Omni S8 and listen to the difference.
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I did it yesterday and don't hear much of a difference when running general USB-FLAC files ex: Duke E. / Eric Clapton

Sub break in won't make much difference here. Amazon lists the OS3-FS frequency response at 52 - 20,000hz. Those two artists probably don't have much content below that so you might not hear much difference.

50hz is not very low for towers; I have bookshelves that go that low. There's lots of movie content from 20hz to 50hz that you would miss out on with just the towers. Meanwhile, that 8" sub will not be able to keep up when listening to movies at louder volumes, will likely bottom out, and you will likely end up tearing it up over time.

If you want a good budget 15" sub that will have plenty of volume, the Premier Acoustics PA-150 is a good choice that sells around $300 to $350. It doesn't extend much below 30hz, but it has a massive amount of SPL that would make it a ten times better choice for your room than the S8. Here are a couple of threads that discuss it:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1280810/premier-acoustic-pa-150
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1388371/best-price-shipped-for-pa-150

Make Acoustic Sound Design an offer of $300 and they'll come back with their lowest price.

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thanks again for advise ,

I ran Audissey setup again with all setting per Denon forum and my sound much better now, I can see now my sub working, just watched Avatar in 3D with 5.1 sound from 12GB MKV file and i like it - my dession is to keep my Mirage s8 since its only 169$ and looks very good in a room (wife factor), and for Christmas will get myself HSU ULS-15.
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my dession is to keep my Mirage s8 since its only 169$ and looks very good in a room (wife factor), and for Christmas will get myself HSU ULS-15.

That sounds like a great idea. Just be careful not to run the sub very hard before then, or you might bottom it out and tear it up. Once you get the ULS-15, that S8 will be nice for a small bedroom or office setup smile.gif

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I am in the market (sorry for the thread hijack) for some towers + center to go with my new Denon 2113CI. It will be replacing some old school MTX's I have. They will be used in the living room with a BIC sub that I actually like (I have an SVS plus tube sub in the theater:D). WAF is a big deal and frankly, the P363 with the silver top and feet is fugly and will not be acceptable to my wife. I was told "black and smallish" as her directives.
I am looking to spend <$600 for the three speakers.
I've been leaning towards either of the following:

HTD level II's towers and center
Polk monitor 60's with matching center
EMP 5ti (over budget a bit)
Flunace AVFR (or ES1 but that's over budget quite a bit)

Anything else I need to look at in this price range for two smallish towers and a center? I also looked at the pioneer's FS51 but the towers are too short IMO.

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