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post #31 of 44 Old 06-23-2012, 08:57 AM
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Every speaker at this price point will have imperfect cabinets. The Primus p36x speakers particularly get knocked on for cabinet resonance, but only when they are being compared to much more expensive speakers, which they frequently are. But the reason they get compared to higher end speakers is because of their extraordinary performance or the price.
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This is an odd thing to say because the Beta 20s have a lot in common with the Primus p162. The Pioneer speakers are not going to have as high quality cabinet construction or drivers as either of the Infinitys. Plus I would have difficulty recommending any speaker with only a 4" woofer unless they absolutely had to be small speakers. The Primus speakers aren't exactly the bass kings as it is, but they will be far more capable than the Pioneer speakers. For bookshelf speakers with terrific bass, the aforementioned Behringer 2031p and Hsu HB-1s are significantly better than the Primus p162.

I have owned Primus and Beta, and I consider the Beta a step up >> They do sound more realistic
and involving to me, over the Primus > they do not have the same crossover slopes, and the cabinet
is better. I have opened up the Pioneer, Primus and Beta speakers, and Pioneer put a cross-brace in
them and the woofer frame does not touch the front baffle.cool.gif Also, I will be happy with whatever the
OP chooses, as long as they are a nice step above those small computer speakers.

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I thought one of the biggest knocks on the Primus speakers was the cheap cabinets and high amount of cabinet resonance....
The Pioneer cabinets are at least curved to address internal standing waves... although Stereophile did still find some resonance issues with the cabinets of the BS41.

When I owned Primus bookshelf speakers, I did go inside and play with the cabinet. The Primus
and Pioneer are much better built, than the Polk Monitor and the so-called famous Insignia one.
The Pioneer is built better than the cheap Destination Audio speaker, that you and I bought. The
Destinaton had a suggested retail price of $395.rolleyes.gif

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When I owned Primus bookshelf speakers, I did go inside and play with the cabinet. The Primus
and Pioneer are much better built, than the Polk Monitor and the so-called famous Insignia one.
The Pioneer is built better than the cheap Destination Audio speaker, that you and I bought. The
Destinaton had a suggested retail price of $395.rolleyes.gif

Yeah those Destination speakers have horrible cabinets... Their MSRP was laughable.

And I've seen pics of the inside of the Insignia's - poorly made as well.... but at least their MSRP better reflects the level of quality (or lack thereof)
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What are your guys thoughts on the Denon AVR-1613?
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What are your guys thoughts on the Denon AVR-1613?

There are closeout prices on the XX12 series. The amplifier section should be equivalent in both the 1612 and 1613. So unless there is a feature you want on the 1613, no reason to go with it. And if you are willing to fork out that much extra cash for the 1613, you might look at the Denon 1712 or 1912 (see this description of the XX12 series) or better yet, put more money into your sub and speakers. You'll get more SQ bang for your buck out of better speakers and sub.

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So I've decided to go with the Pioneers and the Denon 1612. Going to hold out on a sub for a month or two. I'll update you guys once everything is setup!
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So I've decided to go with the Pioneers and the Denon 1612. Going to hold out on a sub for a month or two. I'll update you guys once everything is setup!

Good luck, enjoy and have fun.

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I got the Denon 1612 recently as well and I'm happy with it. You should go ahead and buy the Energy 10.3 subwoofer from Newegg though. Particularly if you watch movies it will sort your budget system right out.
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Any suggestions on which cables to buy for the speakers?
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www.monoprice.com

Cheap enough that you can even get 12 AWG if you want!

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Any suggestions on which cables to buy for the speakers?

Speaker wire chart
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable

However, I like to use 14awg for all my hook-ups, and I tend to never go
below 16awg

Stay away from big name fancy cables

You can order online at Monoprice
http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=speaker+cable

Or go to RadioShack, or Lowe's, or Home Depot.

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Just purchased 50ft 14AWG Enhanced Loud Oxygen-Free Copper Speaker Wire Cable from Monoprice. Think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Energy subwoofer as well!
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Just purchased 50ft 14AWG Enhanced Loud Oxygen-Free Copper Speaker Wire Cable from Monoprice. Think I'm going to pull the trigger on the Energy subwoofer as well!

Yes, I would go ahead and get the sub > it will make a difference.

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