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post #91 of 184 Old 07-30-2012, 08:04 PM
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I just talked to UPS to reverse the charge they pulled on me regarding the M1s. mad.gif
Anyway, so yesterday I got an email from UPS saying that I was being charged $33 because "I REPORTED DAMAGE TO THE M1 SPEAKERS"! eek.gif
They said that I personally called them and reported damage and that they attempted 3 times to come to your house to inspect the 2 boxes! eek.gif
How bizarre is that? eek.gif
So I told them I never did SUCH THING! mad.gif
So they reversed the charge but their only explanation was that I MUST HAVE CALLED AND FILED THE CLAIM! mad.gif
Is this the Twilight Zone or what? eek.gif

I reported damage, but told them to HOLD OFF until I spoke to AJ. These are demo speakers, and AJ told me the damage was already there, so I let the matter go.

I am expecting another pair of speakers any day now from another manufacturer for audition. UPS stuck a 3rd notice on my door, the first one I actually noticed. Upon investigation, I found the other two notices in my hedges!

I drove to UPS to pick up the speakers, they told me to come back the next day as the speakers were still on the truck. Returned the next day, computers were down. Searching for the speakers, it was discovered that the notices were pick up notices for the SAM1's, something I asked them to HOLD OFF. rolleyes.gif Anyway, after addressing this matter TWICE, I left the store with no charges or anything else mentioned. Nice of them to charge your card without investigating.

Sorry for your trouble, I never imagined this would turn around on you. I am not surprised, though. I've had problems with UPS many times in the past, even threatening court action once to get them to pay for a speaker they damaged twice (sent back for repair, UPS damaged it beyond repair upon return the second time).

ADTG, I'll take care of this. They give you any more grief, let me know, please.
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I reported damage, but told them to HOLD OFF until I spoke to AJ. These are demo speakers, and AJ told me the damage was already there, so I let the matter go.
I am expecting another pair of speakers any day now from another manufacturer for audition. UPS stuck a 3rd notice on my door, the first one I actually noticed. Upon investigation, I found the other two notices in my hedges!
I drove to UPS to pick up the speakers, they told me to come back the next day as the speakers were still on the truck. Returned the next day, computers were down. Searching for the speakers, it was discovered that the notices were pick up notices for the SAM1's, something I asked them to HOLD OFF. rolleyes.gif Anyway, after addressing this matter TWICE, I left the store with no charges or anything else mentioned. Nice of them to charge your card without investigating.
Sorry for your trouble, I never imagined this would turn around on you. I am not surprised, though. I've had problems with UPS many times in the past, even threatening court action once to get them to pay for a speaker they damaged twice (sent back for repair, UPS damaged it beyond repair upon return the second time).
ADTG, I'll take care of this. They give you any more grief, let me know, please.

Thanks. I'm hating UPS about now. Damn UPS bastards. mad.gif
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I reported damage, but told them to HOLD OFF until I spoke to AJ. These are demo speakers, and AJ told me the damage was already there, so I let the matter go.
I am expecting another pair of speakers any day now from another manufacturer for audition. UPS stuck a 3rd notice on my door, the first one I actually noticed. Upon investigation, I found the other two notices in my hedges!
I drove to UPS to pick up the speakers, they told me to come back the next day as the speakers were still on the truck. Returned the next day, computers were down. Searching for the speakers, it was discovered that the notices were pick up notices for the SAM1's, something I asked them to HOLD OFF. rolleyes.gif Anyway, after addressing this matter TWICE, I left the store with no charges or anything else mentioned. Nice of them to charge your card without investigating.
Sorry for your trouble, I never imagined this would turn around on you. I am not surprised, though. I've had problems with UPS many times in the past, even threatening court action once to get them to pay for a speaker they damaged twice (sent back for repair, UPS damaged it beyond repair upon return the second time).
ADTG, I'll take care of this. They give you any more grief, let me know, please.

Yikes! What a mess. I guess when it's my turn (I think I"m next?) I should use FedEx?

Could you describe the damage so I know what to expect?

Thanks.

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Yikes! What a mess. I guess when it's my turn (I think I"m next?) I should use FedEx?
Could you describe the damage so I know what to expect?
Thanks.

Some minor dings and scratches. What alarmed me is one cabinet corner is crushed a bit and so was the box corner. I suspected shipping damage and figured I had best report it as soon as possible. I jumped the gun, but better safe than sorry.

Fed Ex has always treated me right.

My girlfriend brought me over some brownies, I sat her down and she is listening to these right now. Wants a pair for Christmas, heh.

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Overall I'm Very happy with the M1's and how they interact with my terrible room. My speaker hunt has come to an end and Ive returned the others and sold my former Aperion Audio 6T setup. I purchased a new TV stand to better support my giant M1-Center channel (or what ever its called) and a digital camera. I'll post more details/pics once I'm all settled in.
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I know the feeling Del Cosmos. The M1's have me at the end of my speaker selection journey. How the heck is the bass with those TC drivers? Alliteration is appropriate I think. M1 Monsters of Mayhem edition etc.
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The bass is clean..
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For what it's worth. I thought my M1's sounded better without receiver EQ. But that is being provided by an HK AVR-254, pre-out to a dodd power SDS-254. Really weird that they share the same number. Anyhow not a new receiver. It just got me thinking that if you had the Jung amp, adjustments there with Audyssey off could be an interesting experiment.
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Just seeking some general advice on my M1's and following up on my last post.

I have the new mac mini server
to HK AVR-254 via HDMI
to SDS-254 preout
to M1's (virtue nirvana cable)

How much of a bottleneck is the HK? My system needs to do double duty audio/tv movies due to city life, and I like running a 4 channel system. I do not have much extra cash. What do people think?

Have a great day!
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I'm a big fan of tube preamps but you get what you pay for there. Others think there is no difference between a cheap AVR and great separates. YMMV

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I'm a big fan of tube preamps but you get what you pay for there. Others think there is no difference between a cheap AVR and great separates. YMMV

I definitely feel there is a big difference in amps. Maybe I'll try throwing a tube buffer in the mix.
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I am auditioning with a pretty decent AVR. Really wish I had my passive pre Exposure 2010S integrated here, but it is on loan. That amp is clear as a bell, and my brother that borrowed it wants to buy.

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One advantage to the AVR , I just kicked in my dual 18" subwoofers, XO is 50 Hz. This added about 3 dB to the headroom and expanded the already wide soundstage even further. Listening to DVD-A Rush "Moving Pictures" and SACD The Police "Synchronicity", digging the detail.

Edit: The main advantage with the AVR is that it has Distance settings, which really help with mains/sub/listening position integration.

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One advantage to the AVR , I just kicked in my dual 18" subwoofers, XO is 50 Hz. This added about 3 dB to the headroom and expanded the already wide soundstage even further. Listening to DVD-A Rush "Moving Pictures" and SACD The Police "Synchronicity", digging the detail.
Edit: The main advantage with the AVR is that it has Distance settings, which really help with mains/sub/listening position integration.

If i undertand right, since the bottom section of the ma1 are active, and if i remember it is crossed at around 200HZ. If you are integrating with a sub, and say you are crossing at 80HZ. With the active bass section, it means it has the ability to adjsut the upper bass (200-80HZ) level. Is this correct? Like for people who prefer a more tactile bass this would be an advantage.
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Like for people who prefer a more tactile bass this would an advantage.

or to reduce/tweak bass
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If i undertand right, since the bottom section of the ma1 are active, and if i remember it is crossed at around 200HZ. If you are integrating with a sub, and say you are crossing at 80HZ. With the active bass section, it means it has the ability to adjsut the upper bass (200-80HZ) level. Is this correct? Like for people who prefer a more tactile bass this would be an advantage.

Yes, the SAM1's dual amps add lots of flexibility. Say one speaker is in a corner and the other is not, you can even tune the left differently from the right to balance the sound out, if need be.

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Noticed a wood baffle prototype added the gallery @ http://soundfieldaudio.net/Gallery.html

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Just found this thread.


Are there any updates on the high sensitivity HT1 ?

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There was a prototype on the site - all I know
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Del,

I'm curious if you heard the SAM1 with the standard woofer before you got the pair with the upgraded woofers? If so, could you describe the differences? Would you still have upgraded if you had dedicated subs?

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I've demoed the standard set and they are amazing. The shelf in another room was shaking. The TC Sounds woofer could only mean more power, most of which you would never need for music but it is good to know that it is there.

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I'm curious if you heard the SAM1 with the standard woofer before you got the pair with the upgraded woofers? If so, could you describe the differences? Would you still have upgraded if you had dedicated subs?

Saturn, I didn't get to hear them side by side unfortunately. I went with the TC woofer for a bit more reach below 30hz - which they deliver. Enough oomph to vibrate my floors/sofa (even with decoupling) but not enough to vibrate the whole building smile.gif
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Saturn, I didn't get to hear them side by side unfortunately. I went with the TC woofer for a bit more reach below 30hz - which they deliver. Enough oomph to vibrate my floors/sofa (even with decoupling) but not enough to vibrate the whole building smile.gif

Thanks for the feedback. So would I be correct in saying that if using a sub for bass duties that there's no point in upgrading to the TC woofer?

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For Music I think the regular sub is fine.
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Soundfield Audio Monitor 1 Review


I first became aware of Soundfield Audio and met AJ at the 2011 Capital Audio Fest in Rockville MD. I ended up spending more time in the Soundfield Audio room than any other. As I had commented in a prior post, the Monitor 1 was among my favorite speakers at the show. I was amazed that these speakers, at $1k then, were competing, and IMO often beating, other speakers at the show with price ranges into 6 figures!

When AJ contacted me earlier this year and asked if I would be interested in a speaker tour of the Monitor 1, I told him I wasn't in the market for speakers but would be happy to try them out and give my feedback. I must admit I was curious about how they would sound in my room with my equipment, and frankly, I thought it would be fun.

So my turn came around and as promised I'm posting my review of the Monitor 1.

Me

I've been into audio since the late 70's. I guess you could say I'm an audiophile since I'm pretty picky about sound, but not to the extent where I can hear differences between well made cables, interconnects, power conditioning, etc. I'm not into vinyl (way too fussy for me) and don't think digital is evil (CDs are perfectly capable of fantastic sound). I believe by far the biggest impact on sound is the recording/mastering and the speakers/room.

Room/Setup

My room is about 26ft x 14ft with a cathedral ceiling that slopes from about 9ft at the long front wall to about 18ft at the back. Half the room is a dining area and the other my living/music/HT room. It's open to the upstairs landing behind the living area. I estimate the volume to be about 5500 cubic ft. The front speakers are on the long front wall. The prime listening position (LP) is about 8ft from the L&R speakers. The M1s are about 1.5ft from the wall behind (back of cabinet to wall), 8.5ft apart, and angled in so that they cross just in front of the prime LP (per AJ's recommendations). The floor is berber carpet/padding over concrete. There are no room treatments, just the usual living room furnishings. There is a 60" plasma between the front speakers.

Equipment

Equipment includes a Parasound Classic 5250 amp (250wpc), Anthem AVM20 pre/pro, Rotel RCD-961 CD player, Oppo 980H DVD/DVD-A/SACD player, Pioneer 320 BD player, M2Tech hiFace USB to SPDIF converter (for playing music files from my laptop), and a SVS 16-46PC+ powered sub (525w). Center channel is a 3 way NHT AudioCenter 2, and surrounds are NHT SB1 (I mention this because it relates to how well the M1 works with them for HT/multichannel audio). For those interested in such things, speaker cables (12 gauge), interconnects, and power cables are nothing special, no high end/expensive stuff here. I have no measuring equipment other than a Rat Shack meter for setting levels, so I cannot comment on how the M1 may measure in room.

Since this is a speaker review, I'll mention I've also owned Magnepan SMG (about 4 years), ADS L1290 (about 25 years!), and my current Salk HT2-TL (took delivery in Feb 2011).


Media

Everything! CD, hi res FLAC files, lowly mp3 files, DVD-Audio, SACD, DVD-Video, and Blu ray. Music played includes most all genres.

So get on with it, how do they sound?

I'm happy to say much like I remember from CAF 2011. AJ mentioned one goal of the M1 was a speaker that sounded more consistant from room to room without the need for elaborate room treatments. Based on what other owners have posted and my experience hearing them at CAF and now at home, I'd say AJ got it pretty right. It was very easy to find a speaker position that worked very well in my room.

In my room the M1s present a large, wide, deep, and very cohesive soundstage, recording dependent of course. They easily "disappear" within the soundstage, a quality I like very much. They have a very "open" sound that doesn't sound like it's coming from a box.

Imaging, while not razor sharp like some speakers I've heard, is still very, very good. Images are properly placed within the soundstage without sounding unnaturally focused, much like I would hear at a live performance (for reference, I don't sit in the front rows of live performances).

I've also noticed when set up as AJ suggests, the stereo image is very stable even from different listening positions. The "sweet spot" is quite wide, and even when sitting very far off axis (45 degrees) you still get a decent stereo image without it completely collapsing to the nearest speaker. Very impressive.

Resolution is excellent. Details and nuances are apparent without sounding too bright or harsh.

The M1s excel in tonal balance in my room. These speakers get along very well with my room without any special room treatments or EQ/processing applied. Very smooth, natural sounding, and balanced from bottom to top. I've listened to the M1s for hours at a time without a hint of fatigue.

In terms of coherency, probably due to the coax driver, when listening to the M1s I'm simply not aware of the separate drivers. It all sounds like it's coming from a single driver to my ears. You can sit pretty close to the M1s without losing that coherent sound, a good thing with my limited speaker position/LP options (I cannot get more than 8ft from them).

I've mention in posts before that the best positions for imaging and soundstage just do not work very well for bass in my room; a sub is a must for me. Having said that, the M1s do present a smoother bass response in my room than other speakers I've owned since living here. While bass doesn't extend as low in my room as I've heard the M1s go at CAF, it's still pretty smooth and extended. I credit this, at least partially, to the ability to adjust each bass driver's level to suit the space and one's taste. The M1 has plenty of punch and drums sound very real/natural to me; very impressive for a "monitor". These are some very full range sounding speakers that can live happily without a sub for music. Now for HT, I'd still recommend a sub (the M1s are really good, but not miracle workers!).

Midrange is spot on to my ears. Voices sound very natural, clear, and real. There's no unnatural emphasis or deficiencies that I can hear.

Treble is extended, smooth, and detailed without harshness or excessive brightness. Again, I can listen to the M1 for hours with no fatigue.

My experience at CAF 2011 showed that the M1 could be very dynamic sounding. I'm glad to say the experience in my home has been much the same. Drum/percussion whacks and crescendos are very impressive indeed. Again, a full range speaker experience in a monitor package. I'm sure many high efficiency designs will provide much better dynamics than the M1, but for me, when paired with a good sub, the M1 totally satisfies for both music and HT (I require speakers that can pull double duty since I only have room for one system). With my sub, they had no problem filling my room with clean, dynamic sound as loud as I could stand. Movies with dynamic soundtracks were very impressive and I didn't feel like I was missing anything.

Putting all the above SQ observations together, the M1s are simply great sounding speakers that make it very easy to enjoy the performance and forget about the speakers/equipment. I've thoroughly enjoyed them while they were here.

Now for some non AQ related impressions (yes, they also can be important to some owners wink.gif).

I can't really comment on cosmetics/fit/finish as I've only seen the prototypes AJ had at 2011 CAF and this demo pair which look like they've traveled quite a bit. I also understand AJ has made some design changes, that do not affect sound quality, that I'm sure would make the M1 more attractive than what I've seen. The pictures I've seen from other owners certainly look more attractive.

Personally, I do not like the look of exposed drivers. Its unattractive and detracts from my listening experience. The demo pair didn't come with grills. I don't know if the M1s come with grills since all the pictures on the website don't' show any, but I did see a picture from an M1 owner that did have grills; it looked very nice and more "finished".

I'm not sure if this is unique to this demo pair, but one complaint I have is the binding posts when using bare wire (my preference). For some reason the holes are aligned vertically so that you have to negotiate the wire between the posts then down, or up, through the hole. Not only was this frustrating, especially with my 12 gauge wire, it seems accidentally shorting the terminals is a real possibility if you aren't real careful. The posts should be placed so that the holes are oriented horizontally so you can insert the wire from the side without having to go between the posts.

Another minor annoyance is the LED power indicator light on the plate amp. It lights up the wall behind the speakers. I like the room dark when enjoying movies and often when listening to music (helps make the room "disappear"). However, this is a minor detail than can be taken care of with some black electrical tape.

Second Opinion

A fellow AudioCircle member, who has built several GR Research models/kits, came by to hear the M1s. In short, he said they are some of the finest sounding monitors he's heard and couldn't find a single thing to criticize about the sound. He mentioned they sound just right with a wide variety of music and could be listened to all day without fatigue.

Perphaps AJ may have another customer coming his way (hey AJ, where's that commission check.....LOL!).

Comparisons

Some have asked for my comment on how the M1 compares to my Salk HT2-TL, so here are a few things I noticed when comparing them.

I was surprised how well the M1 held up against the HT2-TL. In some aspects I preferred the M1 and in others I preferred the HT2-TL. I believe much of this has to do with how each speaker interacts with my room given my limited options for speaker and listening position, and of course personal taste is a huge factor, so keep this in mind when reading these comments. YMMV greatly. wink.gif

Overall soundstage and the ability to disappear were better with the M1. Imaging is more precise with the HT2-TL without being too precise or unnatural. Depending on the recording the HT2-TL can present an image that's scary real! The sweetspot was quite a bit wider with the M1 in my room and the sound a more consistent when moving around the room.

Tonal balance with the M1 was better and more natural to my ears. The HT2-TL sounds a bit fuller than the M1. Depending on the recording, this characteristic may favor the M1 or the HT2-TL to my ears. Overall, for my taste, I have felt the need to apply a little EQ to the HT2-TL, I didn't with the M1. Again, I believe this is at least partly due to room/speaker/position interaction since when I auditioned the HT2-TL at Dennis Murphy's place they sounded very natural and balanced without any feeling like I needed to tweek anything.

The M1 was also just a little more coherent. However, this difference quickly disappeared if I moved back an additional couple feet from the HT2-TL. I think perhaps the coax driver allows closer listening positions without losing coherence.

Resolution is better on the HT2-TL. I believe this is largely due to the excellent RAAL tweeter. The tweeter on the M1 is no slouch, but the RAAL simply just sounds more "real" to my ears. This is particularly apparent with things such as triangles, cymbals, and such. Strings also sound more "real" on the HT2-TL. The HT2-TL sounds a little "cleaner" (for lack of a better word) than the M1 (lower distortion maybe?). When you get lower in the range however (different kinds of drums and such), the M1 seemed to sound a little more realistic.

While I've not seen a current M1, I seriously doubt at their price point the cabinet work/finish is up to Salk standards. If you want great sounding speakers that also look like high quality furniture (can be very important for WAF) then Salk is hard to beat, they are simply beautiful, even with their "standard" veneers/finishes.

Readers Digest Version (I hope I didn't bore you too much)

Hehehe.....sorry if i got a little carried away writing this review.

Bottom line, the M1 is a seriously good speaker that I enjoyed very much with all kinds of music and HT. At it's current price, its also a serious audio bargain. Anyone shopping for speakers should put the Soundfield Monitor 1 on their audition shortlist, even if you are looking at speakers multiple times it's price and think they are too cheap to consider (you might be pleasantly surprised).

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Thanks for the review Saturn94. Very usefull as I owned the HT2-TL's for awhile. Can't wait for the demo pair to arrive!
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Thanks for the review Saturn94. Very usefull as I owned the HT2-TL's for awhile. Can't wait for the demo pair to arrive!

Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.

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