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post #31 of 52 Old 06-29-2012, 01:49 PM
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That would be my choice for starting with fewer components and building it up. Once you use the setup a little bit, then you can decide whether or not you want to add in the surrounds next for more enveloping sound, or whether you want a stronger front sound stage and improved dialogue with the center.

I mostly agree, with the only warning being that you want the center to tonally match the L/R speakers. It does not seem like the Inifnity speakers are going to be discontinued anytime soon, but it might be safer to get a 3.1 setup with the L/C/R all at the same time and wait on the surrounds til later.

Also, it is not as important for the surrounds to match the front 3. So, you can have a lot more flexibility as to which surround speakers you get depending upon placement issues. You also might want dipole surrounds rather than monopole surrounds. My point is only that you don't have to get the Infinity bookshelves for surrounds.

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I mostly agree, with the only warning being that you want the center to tonally match the L/R speakers. It does not seem like the Inifnity speakers are going to be discontinued anytime soon, but it might be safer to get a 3.1 setup with the L/C/R all at the same time and wait on the surrounds til later.
Also, it is not as important for the surrounds to match the front 3. So, you can have a lot more flexibility as to which surround speakers you get depending upon placement issues. You also might want dipole surrounds rather than monopole surrounds. My point is only that you don't have to get the Infinity bookshelves for surrounds.

Ok, that was actually going to be my next question. I didn't know if it was acceptable to have the center without having the surrounds.

I think my plan then will be to start with this 3.1 set up and see how it sounds.

I did not make the below picture, but it very similar to how my room is set up in regards to the couches and the corner TV set up. My couches are closer to the TV than this picture shows and I have more room behind the couches where I can place speakers.

How big of a problem is the corner set up for sound?

Also, what would be the best placement for my rear speakers with my seating the way it is?

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Ok, that was actually going to be my next question. I didn't know if it was acceptable to have the center without having the surrounds.
I think my plan then will be to start with this 3.1 set up and see how it sounds.
I did not make the below picture, but it very similar to how my room is set up in regards to the couches and the corner TV set up. My couches are closer to the TV than this picture shows and I have more room behind the couches where I can place speakers.
How big of a problem is the corner set up for sound?
Also, what would be the best placement for my rear speakers with my seating the way it is?
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Your corner placement will result in a narrow soundstage and speakers that are very close to the wall. Speakers typically sound best when there is a good 12-24" to play with. It also seems like if you are sitting on your couches, you have to turn your head awkwardly to watch TV? Have you given any serious thought to rearranging the room and eliminating the corner placement?
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I was going to buy the Infinity P363 but now I can't seem to find them for much lower than 300/ Each speaker.

How do the Polk Monitor 70s compare to these Infinities?

Can anybody recommend any other towers that I should keep my eye out for that would compare?

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I was going to buy the Infinity P363 but now I can't seem to find them for much lower than 300/ Each speaker.
How do the Polk Monitor 70s compare to these Infinities?
Can anybody recommend any other towers that I should keep my eye out for that would compare?
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If you can place them 18" from the back wall - then this is my choice, and they come with a black grill.smile.gif
Boston A-360 - $199 each
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/BOSA360WHA/BOSTON-ACOUSTICS-A360-3-Way-Dual-6.5in-Floor-Standing-Speaker-Each-White/1.html

And, they are built good
http://www.bostonacoustics.com/US/Product/Pages/ProductDetail.aspx?CatId=HomeAudio(BostonAcoustics_US)&CollId=ASeries(BostonAcoustics_US)&Pid=A360Floorstanding(BostonAcoustics)

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I should say that I did re arrange the room and have the tv set up flat against a wall, so I can place speakers further apart and away from the wall
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I should say that I did re arrange the room and have the tv set up flat against a wall, so I can place speakers further apart and away from the wall
Good, I am glad that you did that.

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I should say that I did re arrange the room and have the tv set up flat against a wall, so I can place speakers further apart and away from the wall

Honestly, that was the best move. I like those Boston speakers as well for the price. I have owned lots of Polk speakers over the years, and they are not bad, but not my first choice.
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Honestly, that was the best move. I like those Boston speakers as well for the price. I have owned lots of Polk speakers over the years, and they are not bad, but not my first choice.

I hate to be picky, but I just can't see buying white speakers, it just wouldn't mesh with my furniture in that room at all.

It looks like Newegg has a sale right now on the Polk Monitor 70 for 160 Each http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=BYdXxMUnEeGKT5LRDiclhQ0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&Item=N82E16882290208&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na

That's $320 for the pair with free shipping, I am considering those for that price
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I hate to be picky, but I just can't see buying white speakers, it just wouldn't mesh with my furniture in that room at all.
It looks like Newegg has a sale right now on the Polk Monitor 70 for 160 Each http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=BYdXxMUnEeGKT5LRDiclhQ0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&Item=N82E16882290208&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na
That's $320 for the pair with free shipping, I am considering those for that price

I am not a Polk fan - however, your decision and good luck!

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It looks like Newegg has a sale right now on the Polk Monitor 70 for 160 Each

I wouldn't even buy them if I could get them @ $99 each.
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I hate to be picky, but I just can't see buying white speakers, it just wouldn't mesh with my furniture in that room at all.
It looks like Newegg has a sale right now on the Polk Monitor 70 for 160 Each http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?SID=BYdXxMUnEeGKT5LRDiclhQ0&AID=10440897&PID=1225267&Item=N82E16882290208&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-cables-_-na-_-na
That's $320 for the pair with free shipping, I am considering those for that price

Understand the white concern. If your budget was less, I would say the Polks, but you said you have $1500? You can do better IMHO. But it is your decision smile.gif
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These are also a good deal on a budget:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882981007

I would pick these over the Polks and they are roughly the same price.

These two centers would match the Motion speakers:
http://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-Motion-Center-Channel-Speaker/dp/B0035FZ12O/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&qid=1341335378&sr=8-7&keywords=martin+logan+motion
http://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-Motion-Center-Channel-Speaker/dp/B0035FZ13I/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1341335378&sr=8-5&keywords=martin+logan+motion

I find the folded ribbon tweeters to be accurate and very good for dialogue.


This would leave you money for a nice subwoofer and surrounds.
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Thanks guys for the feedback, I do have some money to spend I just want to get the most bang for buck, if you know what I mean.

One last question and I will leave this alone, I just found a deal on some Energy Veritas 6.2 brand new shipped for $600 for the pair, is this a good deal?

How would these compare with the Infinity Primus P363 or some of the other towers above?
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I'd be interested in what you choose. I was eyeing the polk Monitor 70 setup with sub today as well. I also need a receiver to match up.
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One more option, this is a great sale:
http://emptek.com/SummerSale.php

These speakers are highly rated at audioholics, and EmpTek's parent company is RBH who makes high end speakers for custom installers.

Hard to beat this price, and I would definitely choose these vs the Polk's.

I would pass on the EmpTek subwoofer and go with HSU, Epik, SVS, or Outlaw.

Here is the review of the EmpTek speakers and there is a dedicated thread at AVS as well:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/floorstanding/emptek-e55ti
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those are almost double the price of the Polks.
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those are almost double the price of the Polks.

They are, but they are a different class of speaker. I would price them comparative to the Polk Rti series (which I have owned and liked).

The nice thing about the EmpTek speakers is they have a 30 day in home trail. Zero risk. Don't like them, you don't even have to pay the return shipping.
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I was able to do a direct comparison, at my house, of the Polk (m60s) and the Infinity Primus P362s (same speaker as the 363, but some cosmetic differences and cheaper price), last fall. I can tell you that both are good speakers for the money...Polks slightly brighter, and better mids, the Infinities better bass and more dynamic (and more sensitive). After the comparison at my house, I decided they were "even" and I would purchase the speaker that was cheapest, which was easily the Polks. Price being equal, I would have gone with the Infinity...but there was just under 100 dollars per speaker differences in price at the time between the M70s and Infinty p362s, not to mention those were listed as "out of stock" by suppliers who had free or cheap shipping.

After purchasing a set of Polks m40s (old house didn't have room for towers, I moved and bought the EMP E5ti towers, for 275/pair...way better, IMHO, than either the Polks or the Primus line, especially for HT applications!

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
Set up #2: Def Tech SM450, CLR2002, SLS Qline surrounds and Klipsch 12wD sub
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I ended up buying:

Energy Veritas 6.2 - $600 for the pair
Energy Center Channel V-5.2 - $280
Denon 2113CI - $520

600

I plan on adding the matching rears and a HSU sub in the very near future

The cost for my complete system once I add the sub and rears bill probably be closer to $2,000 so $500 more than my initial budget, but I think it's going to be a really nice set up.

The receiver is a 7.1 channel at 95 watts per channel, I think I am going to bi amp the front towers so they will be getting 190 watts each. Will this make a big difference in sound quality?

The speakers are arriving on Monday so I will report back with my initial reactions.

Also, any recommendation on which type of speaker wire to buy?
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I ended up buying:
Energy Veritas 6.2 - $600 for the pair
Energy Center Channel V-5.2 - $280
Denon 2113CI - $520
The receiver is a 7.1 channel at 95 watts per channel, I think I am going to bi amp the front towers so they will be getting 190 watts each. Will this make a big difference in sound quality?
The speakers are arriving on Monday so I will report back with my initial reactions.
Also, any recommendation on which type of speaker wire to buy?

Bi-amping from the same receiver, is the same as bi-wiring > it adds nothing. You will
not get a true 180 watts, and no magical sound transformation. Like some people will
say, it will be like putting 2 straws in a glass of water. It goes to the crossover network,
and the network controls the signal. Your option and choice - have fun.

You can get wire from places like Lowe's, Home Depot or RadioShack - and online at
Monoprice.com
http://www.monoprice.com/products/search.asp?keyword=speaker+wire

Here is a wire table - I still use 14awg, it does not cost much.
http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#wiretable

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Bi-amping from the same receiver, is the same as bi-wiring
Bi-amping and bi-wiring are totally different, with the most significant difference being that bi-amping can improve sound quality, bi-wiring cannot. But bi-amping is only of benefit if it's used to remove passive crossover components from the signal chain, which I doubt is the case here.
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