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http://www.premieraudio.ca/selection

I noticed some high end brands like B&W and Martin Logan, but I have never heard of the other brands on there.

Never been to this store as I never needed speakers better than for computers, but I am actually pretty excited tomorrow. I feel giddy and nervous tongue.gif since I'm expecting most of those brands to be way out of my price range ($1000+) eek.gif

So to help me cross out some of the brands, which of those would you guys consider to be sub-par, average or even mediocre (to the majority of AVS)? e.g. Bose
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I feel giddy and nervous tongue.gif since I'm expecting most of those brands to be way out of my price range ($1000+) :eek


Ummm... did you miss a 0 or two..?

It looks to be a shop that doesn't carry any rubbish. If you go in there and be honest with them with your budget range, I'm sure they'll have something that will satisfy you. Even if it means just getting a nice pair of 2-way monitors and an integrated amp for now.
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http://www.premieraudio.ca/selection

I noticed some high end brands like B&W and Martin Logan, but I have never heard of the other brands on there.
Never been to this store as I never needed speakers better than for computers, but I am actually pretty excited tomorrow. I feel giddy and nervous tongue.gif since I'm expecting most of those brands to be way out of my price range ($1000+) eek.gif

That is one way to increase your budget! Also, if you are still thinking about placing your speakers
in the corner or against the wall, then I would not get too carried away. Well for now, cross Wilson
off your list.smile.gif

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That is one way to increase your budget! Also, if you are still thinking about placing your speakers
in the corner or against the wall, then I would not get too carried away. Well for now, cross Wilson
off your list.smile.gif

Yeah, I still am limited by my room rolleyes.gif

But, I'm hoping I can find a pair of bookshelfs for $500-$600, since my total budget (right now) is $1200 and less. If I get 2 pairs, that will be $1200 before tax which is still about twice as large as my previous budget, but I can do $1200 right now. It just means I got to get the subwoofer at a later date.
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I may just say myself the embarrassment and stick with more well known and less expensive brands.

I just want to make sure the speakers I get now, can be sold down the line if I ever decide to upgrade. I do not want to get something that I like and enjoy now, but can't get rid of 2-3 years from now.

I just don't want to feel like I'm wasting money now, due to the fact I can't even get 25% of the original selling price.
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I may just say myself the embarrassment and stick with more well known and less expensive brands.
I just want to make sure the speakers I get now, can be sold down the line if I ever decide to upgrade. I do not want to get something that I like and enjoy now, but can't get rid of 2-3 years from now.
I just don't want to feel like I'm wasting money now, due to the fact I can't even get 25% of the original selling price.

They're not investments. Like a lot of consumer products, the highest value is for the long term value (usually due to good desing/engineering/components/quality of construction) or the near term value (marketing hype and then it drops off a lot).... the former has generally the better resale value but liquidity can always be an issue. There are many worthy internet direct (ID) brands that kick butt on what you'll find in a showroom these days, too.

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Go have the experience. Tell them your budget, see what they can show you, and get a little sample of the nicer stuff, too. Be prepared that it is only natural to lust after the really sexy-looking, expensive gear. Expect that, but don't get carried away. You can get excellent audio performance for much less with smart allocation of budget (hint: don't buy any "fancy" cables) and selection of components. Or DIY if you are into building things. A smartly designed budget system can easily sound better than a poorly designed "fancy" system. :-) There are many examples of tests where listeners were unable to hear the difference between inexpensive utilitarian gear (amps, cables, sources) and mega-buck gear. The program material, speakers, and the listening environment (room, speaker placement) make the most difference (by far).

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Paradigm monitor series bookshelves or some used studio 10s on Audiogon and EBay. It's Canadian brand and looks to be bang for the buck. Good looking for the price too. Or French maker Focal Chorus monitor used. Plenty of $400-500 on Audiogon right now. Great sounding and big name brand attached.
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I find myself in a situation where I can pony up and spend more cash now or budget myself for only $1200 for speakers this year. However, I think for $2000, I should be able to find 2 fronts, 2 surrounds and 1 center... and be able to sell them for 50% of their price in a couple to several years.

I know people usually go for brand names so I think Paradigms, B&W, Focal, etc should be smart buys. Not treating speakers as investments where I can make money off them --just making sure I can get money back in the future if I decide to replace them.

Forgot to ask, but for the Paradigms, if I get their models, do I go for the "Signature" or the "Studio" lines? As for getting the floorstanders.... does Focal or Parardigm have any floorstanders that is suitable to place close to the back walls (my room is small but I want full range)?
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I find myself in a situation where I can pony up and spend more cash now or budget myself for only $1200 for speakers this year. However, I think for $2000, I should be able to find 2 fronts, 2 surrounds and 1 center... and be able to sell them for 50% of their price in a couple to several years.
I know people usually go for brand names so I think Paradigms, B&W, Focal, etc should be smart buys. Not treating speakers as investments where I can make money off them --just making sure I can get money back in the future if I decide to replace them.
Forgot to ask, but for the Paradigms, if I get their models, do I go for the "Signature" or the "Studio" lines? As for getting the floorstanders.... does Focal or Parardigm have any floorstanders that is suitable to place close to the back walls (my room is small but I want full range)?

Bose has extremely high resale value. smile.gif

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For Paradigm, cheapest floorstander in the studio line (60v5) retails for $2300. You can possibly get a used pair for $1700-1800. Signature line pretty much double the cost. Newest versions are v5 for studio and v3 for signature. If you can get a deal on older models, that works too.

I'd suggest looking at Focal Chorus line used though.
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For the back wall concern, you want to look for front ported, which most Paradigm and Focal are. But any speaker needs a little bit of room around it to really opens up.
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The next step down for Paradigm is SE and Monitor series (v7). Paradigm trickle down tech for lower lines so if the price the same for monitor new and studio used, I'd go with monitor new. For example monitor v7 vs. studio v3.
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Bose has extremely high resale value. smile.gif

Sad frown.gif but true LOL

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Another Canadian manufacturer to look out for is PSB. They offer good value throughout their line. At the dealer you are visiting it doesn't look like they will have much in your price range. If they aren't busy, try to listen to a few things out of your price range (maybe way, way out) to get an idea of what stand-out traits you might want to aim for in your price range. Maybe find out if you are a Wilson person. Whether you ever own them or not, it can be interesting to see where you fall on that now decades old question. Mostly, have fun. smile.gif

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Yeah, I am excited to try some Focal and Paradigm since those aren't crazy expensive, look stylish and maybe just what I need. I still want floorstanding speakers, and I've been obsessing over this recently. I mean, you get full range sound (except for the really deep lows) and they won't take up much more room than speakers on stands.

I can either get Mission MXS's and a pair of MX3s ($499 brand new instead of $800) and the the MX center for $388. All of this would equal to $1150. This would be basically the cost of a pair of new Focal 806/807's.

I found a pair of Studio 20's on Audiogon, and they are V3. Do they match well with V5 Studio 10's, or Studio 60's?
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