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This is my first post and I have been going through the first couple of pages trying to learn. I am looking to buy a pair of tower speakers and a center speaker and I would like to keep it between $2000 and $3000.

Room Size: 14ft wide and 19ft (speakers are along the 14ft wide wall)

Seating Distance: 9ft

Existing Equipment: Yamaha RX-A710 AV Receiver
Definitive Technology Pro Monitor 1000 (Rear speakers)
Use: Movies
Music: Hip Hop, Rock

I am currently thinking about B&W 683 with HTM61 or Polk RTi A9 and CSi A6. I am open to any and all suggestions that would fit into that price range as I am just learning about HT systems.

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Given your tastes, you will want a decent subwoofer too, unless you are living close to others like an apartment building. You might take a look at the different systems from Klipsch. Check out some EMP E55Ti towers with a E56Ci center and a Hsu VTF15h subwoofer or a Rythmik FV15. That would be a pretty nice system with lots of clean loud bass.
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For HT use and 9' listening distance, I would look at higher sensitivity speakers like Klipsch.

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Given your tastes, you will want a decent subwoofer too, unless you are living close to others like an apartment building. You might take a look at the different systems from Klipsch. Check out some EMP E55Ti towers with a E56Ci center and a Hsu VTF15h subwoofer or a Rythmik FV15. That would be a pretty nice system with lots of clean loud bass.

I plan on adding a subwoofer but just not right away when I purchase the front speakers.

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For HT use and 9' listening distance, I would look at higher sensitivity speakers like Klipsch.

I may move the seating back 2 or 3 more feet so that is not set in stone. I have heard about PSB, Monitor and Paradigm but haven't listen to their speakers and am not sure what lines would be a good choice if any.

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Check out KEF Q900
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542052223/kef-q900?s_c=site_search

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http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/548100941/kef-q600c-center-channel?s_c=site_search

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The Polk and B & W speakers are not the best-sounding speakers for the money in that price range.

For that room I recommend the KEF iQ90 speakers, which were $1500 per pair, but you can get them for only $900 per pair now at the KEF Direct website. They are EXCELLENT-sounding speakers. The center speaker to use with them is the Q200C, which is $450.

Sorry that the price is only $1500, but they ARE better-sounding than those others, even if they are a bit less money....lol.





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This is my first post and I have been going through the first couple of pages trying to learn. I am looking to buy a pair of tower speakers and a center speaker and I would like to keep it between $2000 and $3000.
Room Size: 14ft wide and 19ft (speakers are along the 14ft wide wall)
Seating Distance: 9ft
Existing Equipment: Yamaha RX-A710 AV Receiver
Definitive Technology Pro Monitor 1000 (Rear speakers)
Use: Movies
Music: Hip Hop, Rock
I am currently thinking about B&W 683 with HTM61 or Polk RTi A9 and CSi A6. I am open to any and all suggestions that would fit into that price range as I am just learning about HT systems.
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Commsysman doesn't Definitive Technology make some floor standing speakers that already have a built in sub-woofer for a 1,000 or 2,000 each? I hear that people who like a lot of bass get Definitive Technology. Would that sound good for his set up?
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The problem with a subwoofer "built-in' to a speaker is that it requires the speaker and subwoofer to be in the same location.

The correct location for the subwoofer is seldom the best location for the rest of the speaker; major problem.
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The best speakers in your price range for both hip/hop and rock, as well as movies, are the Klipsch RB-81ii's. These are some damn good bookshelves that put out a heck of a lot of bass and would run circles around the B&W 683's and the Polks. They are also bad to the bone for movies. For a center channel, I would recommend an RC-64ii. This will give you a world class setup that will stomp the heck out of ANY Polk speaker and pretty much every non-800 series (excluding the CM9 as well) from B&W. Before you decide to buy anything, go audition the Klipsch RB-81ii's as I can promise that you will walk out with them. You might also check ebay and a-gon in search of some used RB-81ii's and an RC-64ii. You should be able to pick up both the RB-81ii's and the RC-64ii's for well under $2,000.00. If you can't find any of those in used condition, then the original RB-81's and RC-64 are 90% as good as the second series. Good Luck my friend.
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A member here recently bought a pair of KEF Q900 + Q600 Center + pair of Q800 surrounds all for $2,200 delivered from Vanns. So give them a call and see if they would sell just the Q900 pair + Q600 center for around $1600 delivered.

But while you are at it, add a pair of Q100 surrounds. biggrin.gif
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Vann's charges $899 EACH for the KEF Q900, so the speakers you named are going to run around $3000, not $2200. KEF Direct and other authorized dealers all charge the same price for current models.

There are grey-market companies that CLAIM to sell KEF speakers at a big discount, but those are counterfeit speakers that are not worth $100 each.

They are trash that only LOOK like KEF speakers. and are made with generic parts that will not sound anything like the REAL KEF speakers.

When buying KEF speakers you should realize that ONLY authorized KEF dealers sell the real thing and that KEF does not allow discounting. Any dealer that offers some "equivalent" warranty (HA!) in place of the factory warranty is not a KEF dealer and is selling garbage.

Only authorized KEF dealers have access to the real thing, so you should ask a discounter where he is getting his products; he is sure not getting them from KEF. The serial numbers of those cheap clones will not check out if you call KEF for verification


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A member here recently bought a pair of KEF Q900 + Q600 Center + pair of Q800 surrounds all for $2,200 delivered from Vanns. So give them a call and see if they would sell just the Q900 pair + Q600 center for around $1600 delivered.
But while you are at it, add a pair of Q100 surrounds. biggrin.gif
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Klipsch rf-7 ll towers, klipsch rc-64 center, shop around you can find these 3 speakers for around 3k.

The rf7 and rc64 are matched, pair them up with a great avr receiver (I use a Marantz sr 7005) and the sound and separation is amazing.
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Vann's charges $899 EACH for the KEF Q900, so the speakers you named are going to run around $3000, not $2200.

When I said a member paid $2,200 for Q900 x 2, Q600 x 1, Q800 x 2 from Vanns, that was a fact, not an opinion. A fact. An actual purchase 2 weeks ago.

The purchase was made on the phone, not online. That is why I said to "CALL" them.

I do the same thing when buying from Onecall, Electronics Expo, J&R Music World, etc. Talking to a live salesman will get you the best possible deal! Do not buy online from the website.

Onecall, Electronics Expo, & Vanns are all authorized.

Do the same with AVR & speakers. The economy sucks. They have to sell.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420073/4000-budget/30#post_22218141
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A member here recently bought a pair of KEF Q900 + Q600 Center + pair of Q800 surrounds all for $2,200 delivered from Vanns. So give them a call and see if they would sell just the Q900 pair + Q600 center for around $1600 delivered.
But while you are at it, add a pair of Q100 surrounds. biggrin.gif

Good suggestion

Also, while I agree that the iQ90s could be a very good choice for a speaker that would keep you well within your budget, Cman recommended the Q200C to match with the iQ90s, even though the center designed to match is the iQ60c. Since it's extremely important for the front soundstage for the center channel to timbre match, I would verify with the Kef community before using the center from the newer line with the iQ90s. I don't know for certain if it would be better or worse, but I would not rely on Cman's opinion alone.

Here's an Internet direct speaker to check out: the Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 Towers. An AVS member visited their factory this week and was blown away by how good they sound. There is an AVS thread devoted to the Sierra-1 Towers where you can learn more.

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thanks a lot for all of the suggestions. I will give them a good look. How many of you would buy a pair of speakers without listening to them?

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thanks a lot for all of the suggestions. I will give them a good look. How many of you would buy a pair of speakers without listening to them?

I bought the Phil3 w/o an audition.

I auditioned all my other speakers.
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it's always good to audition speakers if you can. Sometimes I have to go all the way to New York City 3 hours away to do it. Doing this saved me time from having to go two and a half hours in one city to hear one brand, and two hours in another city to hear the other brand. The last two times I was in NYc auditioning speakers I visited 3 stores in one day. Klipsch speakers do sound good for movies. I don't like them as much for music though, because I think that the tweeters are bright sounding. Best buy used to sell two big klipsch speakers with two 8 inch woofers in them I think. I remember hearing gym class heroes stereo hearts song played on them while walking around a few months ago. They were on sale cheap for black friday. I think normally they were 500 each. I can't remember.
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With regard to Klipsch, I keep reading about their smaller offerings.

Don't be afraid to look big (you don't have to crank them, you might have larger space in future)

Look around for some used LaScalas or (if lucky) Klipschorns. Check ebay to get an idea of what I'm talking about. I've had LaScalas in my dorm room, to my open floorplan house and they've always worked well. I currently have some MUCH larger brothers to them in this little apartment I'm renting for a while so don't let size by itself, fool you.

Note that I'm not suggesting buying NEW LaScalas or Khorns as they'd not fit your budget at all. Used though....perhaps used with some dings... might work.
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give the deftech 8060-st towers a listen...plus the 8060-cs center....all three will be just below your budget....these speakers are fantastic for movies and rock the house with music.

http://www.definitivetech.com/Products/products.aspx?path=Floor-Standing_Speakers&productid=BP-8060ST

http://www.definitivetech.com/Products/products.aspx?path=Center_Channel_Speakers&productid=CS-8060HD

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the only speakers I can listen to within a reasonable driving distance would be monitor, paradigm, b and w, pub and what best buy carries. My dad has a pair of deflect speakers with a built in powered sub and I am not a fan of them for music.

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that's cool but the new deftech line sounds different.....bestbuy does have them...smile.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkNHKOZTbI&feature=relmfu

a little demo of tron legacy...smile.gif

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the only speakers I can listen to within a reasonable driving distance would be monitor, paradigm, b and w, pub and what best buy carries.


Fill in your location profile, there might be someone nearby that would give you an in home audition. I know on the Klipsch site, that goes on from time to time. I've personally had a couple dozen of people over to my place over the years to listen to my larger Klipsch.
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that's cool but the new deftech line sounds different.....bestbuy does have them...smile.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkNHKOZTbI&feature=relmfu
a little demo of tron legacy...smile.gif

I will try them out, they do sound great for watching movies but not so much music but I will stop by best buy sometime soon.
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Fill in your location profile, there might be someone nearby that would give you an in home audition. I know on the Klipsch site, that goes on from time to time. I've personally had a couple dozen of people over to my place over the years to listen to my larger Klipsch.

I just got a chance to. I live in Tarentum Pennsylvania about 30 minutes north of Pittsburgh.

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just curious what didn't you like about them with music?...and what type of music do you listen too?...also what line of deftech's did you hear at your fathers place?...also since youtube has crappy rules about videos with music I would be glad to make a video for you demoing some music genares you like and uploading it to megaupload....let me know...smile.gif

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just curious what didn't you like about them with music?...and what type of music do you listen too?...also what line of deftech's did you hear at your fathers place?...also since youtube has crappy rules about videos with music I would be glad to make a video for you demoing some music genares you like and uploading it to megaupload....let me know...smile.gif

I will have to stop by and check the model. They have a powered sub in them though and I think that is what made the music sound muddy.

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I will have to stop by and check the model. They have a powered sub in them though and I think that is what made the music sound muddy.

Make sure you turn the built-in subwoofer level to 9 or 10 o'clock. Anymore than 10 o'clock may improve bass at the expense of the midrange and tweeter clarity & details.

Compare the 9 o'clock vs 10 o'clock position for sub level.
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just curious what didn't you like about them with music?...and what type of music do you listen too?...also what line of deftech's did you hear at your fathers place?...also since youtube has crappy rules about videos with music I would be glad to make a video for you demoing some music genares you like and uploading it to megaupload....let me know...smile.gif

YouTube videos are a poor way to assess speaker performance since (a) the audio in the video is limited by the audio system that the video is played back on and (b) you'd need a pro mic and knowledge of how to use it to generate a proper recording that would accurately reflect how the speakers sound.

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this was just for fun and to give an IDEA of what they sound like....my sony cam is standard def but records in dolby.....not the best but decent....this wasn't meant for how they TRULY sound...smile.gif

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this was just for fun and to give an IDEA of what they sound like....my sony cam is standard def but records in dolby.....not the best but decent....this wasn't meant for how they TRULY sound...smile.gif

Yeah, well it's not possible to get an IDEA of what they sound like from a YouTube video made with a Sony camcorder.

The only YouTube video I have ever seen that offers any useful insight into how a speaker performs is this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XlpqBoQ1hoQ

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Dali Lektor 6 MK2 w/matching Lector LCR for the center would put you right in the middle of your budget. The towers are front ported which will give you more flexiblity in placing them in your room. Made in Denmark so the fit and finish is first rate. smile.gif
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