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post #31 of 42 Old 08-09-2012, 06:28 PM
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Exactly what alleged "lie" do you have in mind?

You don't know of one, and neither does he. He certainly has not mentioned one.

I expressed an OPINION, and the truth of it is certainly up for debate.


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This is what happens when your totally dismissive of everyones recommendations or what the OP wants. Big bold letters say Polk M60s vs Sierras, what do you do push your own selective brands while making disparaging remarks towards others, mostly true ID brands.

I just love it when you chime in no matter what the OP would want and push your "NHT is the best sub under $1k" its always the exact same copy and paste response word for word. Its as if you typed it up on notepad to keep it and spam the forum with it in every "what to buy thread".

Since you say that the NHT is THE BEST that means you don't like SVS? or HSU Research? or Emotiva? or Rythmik? or Outlaw? or Epik? Aperion? Have you truly listened to any of them or they not elitist enough for you?
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If I made a mistake about the location, I made a mistake. It was a long time ago, and someone else did the driving.

Really, are you that sure? I do believe you have us confused with another company. We have only been in Orange County for slightly over 3 years now. Even more specifically, we have only been in this particular facility for 2.5 years and our listening room was first opened in July 2010, which coincided with the first public showing of our Sierra Towers.

A “long time ago” (2+ yrs ago) we were not open to the public.

Prior to April, 2009, we were in LA County; Gardena to be more specific. We were in that location for ~10 years – no public listening room, no demos offered.
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As for lying about your products...I expressed an opinion about them and you apparently don't like it; too bad. It's still my opinion.?

Look, I have no doubts that you have listened to our Sierra-1. There are many thousands of pairs out there, they are a very popular loudspeaker and for good reason. You lied about visiting us and do you not remember publicly posting on AVS that our published specifications on the Sierra-1 were fraudulent?
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Whether my opinion is true or not is hardly for you to say; your association with the company obviously proves that you are blatantly biased. Be careful who you call a liar until you can come up with something resembling proof, which certainly does not exist.

My “association” with the company? You just provided even more proof that you have never visited us. You obviously don’t know me which means we have never met, which means you have never been here.

In addition, had you actually been at our facility, there would certainly have been no confusion as to where we actually assemble our goods as our listening room has a glass side wall with a full view of our active production line.

Commsysman, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I have never stated otherwise…. However, when someone publicly posts false information I will call them on it every time and that, Sir, is what brought me to this thread.
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Be careful who you call a liar until you can come up with something resembling proof, which certainly does not exist.

… And I suggest you be equally “careful” about publicly posting false information, especially when it appears to be agenda driven. I suggest you let it go…

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The first four sentences in Post #2 are A DIRECT RESPONSE to Post #1.

Try reading it again.

If I want to add other opinions or information, that is really none of your business, is it?

I suggest that you express your opinions on audio matters, and stop the character assassinations and misquotes.

Until someone appoints you Chief of the Internet Police, I could care less whether you like my opinions or not.

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"This is what happens when your totally dismissive of everyones recommendations or what the OP wants. Big bold letters say Polk M60s vs Sierras, "
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This is what happens when your totally dismissive of everyones recommendations or what the OP wants. Big bold letters say Polk M60s vs Sierras, what do you do push your own selective brands while making disparaging remarks towards others, mostly true ID brands.
I just love it when you chime in no matter what the OP would want and push your "NHT is the best sub under $1k" its always the exact same copy and paste response word for word. Its as if you typed it up on notepad to keep it and spam the forum with it in every "what to buy thread".
Since you say that the NHT is THE BEST that means you don't like SVS? or HSU Research? or Emotiva? or Rythmik? or Outlaw? or Epik? Aperion? Have you truly listened to any of them or they not elitist enough for you?

gtpsuper24: I am really disappointed with your post. You seriously missed few brands commsysman pushes regardless of thread owner's requirements.

Joe: Hi commsysman, what is your recommendation for a decent sedan from ford, gm, Honda and Toyota?
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Commsysman: Well, that's a tough one but if I were you, I would go with Vandersteen.
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As a current owner of both brands each has a very different sound to my ears, with the Sierra-1s being considerably more detailed than the Monitor Audios (I have the Silver series, one up from the Bronze). If possible, it's best to audition both in your own home.

I find your post to be more compelling than the contradictory post above yours. At least you listened to them in the same room, and presumably on the same day, perhaps even the same hour, You might even used the same recording.

The idea that someone with golden ears can roam the country, listening to different speakers in different rooms on different days with different music, and make authoritative statements is something that breaks so many rules about how human hearing and memory for sounds works, that IME it has little or no relevance to the real world. It's ego-tripping in my eyes.

That all said, I'm still not happy until I read the last sentence in your post. The sound of a speaker is highly dependent on the room that it is in. But there it is - another morsel of truth in your post : " It's best to audition both in your own home."

Well done!
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The idea that someone with golden ears can roam the country, listening to different speakers in different rooms on different days with different music, and make authoritative statements is something that breaks so many rules about how human hearing and memory for sounds works, that IME it has little or no relevance to the real world. It's ego-tripping in my eyes.

I find it funny that he could not remember where the Ascend office was, what city he was in, or what county he was in. He wasn't even sure of the year, just "long ago". But he can remember exact details of the Sierras and goes about not recommending. rolleyes.gif
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I find your post to be more compelling than the contradictory post above yours. At least you listened to them in the same room, and presumably on the same day, perhaps even the same hour, You might even used the same recording.
The idea that someone with golden ears can roam the country, listening to different speakers in different rooms on different days with different music, and make authoritative statements is something that breaks so many rules about how human hearing and memory for sounds works, that IME it has little or no relevance to the real world. It's ego-tripping in my eyes.
That all said, I'm still not happy until I read the last sentence in your post. The sound of a speaker is highly dependent on the room that it is in. But there it is - another morsel of truth in your post : " It's best to audition both in your own home."
Well done!

Hi Arny-

Yes same room, same source, and just a few minutes apart. I played familiar source material with one speaker brand, swapped speakers, re-ran Audyssey, and played the source again. Obviously my findings were strictly subjective, but I felt I could hear subtle intricacies and detail with the one brand (Ascend) and not the other (Monitor Audio).

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Just curious ..... I see that Polk Audio Monitor60 Series II Floorstanding Loudspeaker is on sale .... $149/each.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16882290206

How do these compare to Sierra-1 speakers (http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages...SRM1/srm1.html)? Or are these in a two different categories and can not be compared?

thank you.
I'm always stunned at the overt hostility in this forum and how, beyond the first couple posts, everyone ignores the Original Poster and his question and spends their time bickering over pointless tangential topics.

Addressing the Original Poster, the first questions should have been, if you have $900 to spend, why are you looking at $150 speakers, and if you only have $150 to spend, why are you looking at $900 speakers?

Next, if you want floorstanding, why are you looking at bookshelf, and if you want bookshelf, why are you looking at floorstanding?

The Monitor 60 are nice but consumer grade speakers. The Ascend are a bit higher end, and their sound will probably reflect that. But, once again, it seem unfathomable that someone had a path of logic that narrowed down their search to these two speakers.

If any of us have any hope of actually helping the Original Poster, there is a standard set of information we need, which so far, no one has bothered to ask.

What are the dimension of the room the equipment will be in?

Is that a closed room, an open floorplan, or something in between?

If an open floorplan, what are the overall dimension, and what are the dimensions of the listening area?

Stereo or Surround Sound?

What other equipment to you have in this system?

How is the system most often used? Both in terms of Movies vs Music, and in terms of the type of Movies and the style of Music.

What are you goals and objectives? That is ... what does the Original Poster hope to accomplish?

I find it hard to believe that anyone is considering both these speakers.

If you have $900/pr to spend, the answer the above questions, and we will help you with suggestion to get the most for your $900.

If you have $300 to spend ($150/each), then we can help you there too.

As to Bookshelf vs Floorstanding, while both can be good speakers, generally, a Floorstanding has more bass and impact, where as, being a smaller speaker, for equal money, a Bookshelf is likely to be a better speaker.

So, start by narrowing the budget or budget range, then answer the above question, and we will try to help find the best speakers for you.

AND... there is very much a FOR YOU element to this. Comparing random speakers is pointless, we need to try to find speakers that best serve the needs of the user, based on the nature of his use, the size of his room, and his personal preferences and priorities.

It is more about the person and the circumstance than it is about the speakers in isolation.

As to Countrymen not liking Ascend, fine, everybody hates something. Take any equipment from the lowest end to the most expensive, and you will have no trouble finding people who love and those who hate that specific equipment.

Notice Countrymen did say the Ascend would be about 200% better than Polk, then he followed that up by saying he personally does not prefer Ascend. But like I said, for any piece of equipment, high or low, you will have no problem finding people who love it and those who hate it. You can't take that statement as anything more than personal preference, and equally, you will find many who absolutely love Ascend. It doesn't really mean much, and it pointless at helping the Original Poster.

If the Original Poster is asking a sincere question, then he will help up understand his circumstance, and to find the best speakers for those circumstance, budget, and preference.

If he is just trolling to start a heated pointless argument, then well done. But it is not that hard to do on this forum.

I've yet to see anyone offer anything that might be of remote value to the Original Poster, and am stunned that the Modeartors don't step in and force everyone back on track, or alternately shut down the pointless discussion completely.

Curious, does anyone have even the most remote interest in addressing the Original Poster and his question ... odd as that question might be?

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Curious, does anyone have even the most remote interest in addressing the Original Poster and his question ... odd as that question might be?

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Well I certainly dont....considering he made the post over 4 years ago.
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Well I certainly dont....considering he made the post over 4 years ago.
There must have been some activity to make this thread rise to the top of the topics list. Given that it was on the first page, I responded to it.

None the less, it is clear to see - NO ONE - had any interest in helping the Original Poster. As many threads do, it descended into pointless petty bickering.

Sorry I blew up and tried to help.

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There must have been some activity to make this thread rise to the top of the topics list. Given that it was on the first page, I responded to it.
I think maybe if a thread gets spammed, and then the spam deleted, it still might stay up in the recently updated threads list.

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