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Can someone give some links to in depth explanations of timbre matching? Or try to convince me why it's so important? I have went my entire life and never had a timbre-matched front 3 speaker set-up. Is it possible to timbre match different brands? If I can't tell that there are different brands/timbres, should I even bother timbre matching because isn't the only thing that matters is how I hear it ? :P
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Can someone give some links to in depth explanations of timbre matching? Or try to convince me why it's so important? I have went my entire life and never had a timbre-matched front 3 speaker set-up. Is it possible to timbre match different brands? If I can't tell that there are different brands/timbres, should I even bother timbre matching because isn't the only thing that matters is how I hear it ? :P

It's not as important as some might want you to believe but see it in the light of having four different tires of the same size on your vehicle. I'm sure that when driving down the road, other than each tire having it's own road noise, you won't notice.

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Timbre/voice matching is really quite important, especially if you want more then a jumble of noise while watching your TV.

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If I can't tell that there are different brands/timbres, should I even bother timbre matching because isn't the only thing that matters is how I hear it ? :P

To an extent, yes. After all, you're the one who has to be satisfied. That being said... if you had the opportunity to hear what a properly tuned and timbre matched system sounds like you'd understand the difference. Instead of a cacophony of noise it's a symphony of sound.

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Is it possible to timbre match different brands?

No, because different companies go about reproducing sound in disparate ways.

If you want a decent guide to some of the basics try this link.
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I know the basics, I'm looking for something in depth to explain smile.gif

I don't have timbre matched and to me my speakers flow really well together
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But have you heard timbre matched speakers as a comparison?

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But have you heard timbre matched speakers as a comparison?

in imax, movie theatres, not at a house though.
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in imax, movie theatres, not at a house though.

Speakers that are not timbre matched, in the simple have a fingernail on the chalkboard, jarring quality to them. The closer the timbre match, the smoother the overall sound quality. A reaction along the lines of; Now that's what I'm talking about!

If your muscles are tight and the hair on your arms is standing up and you find yourself wanting to kill your system, you don't have timbre match. If you're kicked back, feeling all warm and fuzzy all over, you have timbre match. It's that or sonically you're brain dead which, if you think about it, is a good thing. With many here, it could go either way.

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Speakers that are not timbre matched, in the simple have a fingernail on the chalkboard, jarring quality to them. The closer the timbre match, the smoother the overall sound quality. A reaction along the lines of; Now that's what I'm talking about!
If your muscles are tight and the hair on your arms is standing up and you find yourself wanting to kill your system, you don't have timbre match. If you're kicked back, feeling all warm and fuzzy all over, you have timbre match. It's that or sonically you're brain dead which, if you think about it, is a good thing. With many here, it could go either way.
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lol, only feel that way when i hear tv speakers XD

What do you think of the timbre matching between polk LSIM 704C and polk lsi9's?
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I can't say for Polk Audio as personally, I moved away from them as fast as possible. Why, because I found them too laid back for my upfront aggressive tastes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWs0CezaK6Y&feature=related

Loud and bassy.

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What do you think of the timbre matching between polk LSIM 704C and polk lsi9's?
I've been trying to get an answer to this very question. Did you ever try it?
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Timbre match........hmmmmmmmm

Timbre matching produces "Symphony of sound?"

Not using timber matched speakers all around produces same similar sound as fingernails moving across a chalkboard?


Ok........

BTW, same two speakers can/will not match exactly across full frequency spectrum.........not to mention changing speaker location can change impression of timbre.

Match speakers by frequency response, sensitivities, and rms capabilities..........let eq do the rest. Same speakers ie "timbre matched" speakers can make process of calibration much easier......that's it.
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Timbre/voice matching is really quite important, especially if you want more then a jumble of noise while watching your TV.

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If I can't tell that there are different brands/timbres, should I even bother timbre matching because isn't the only thing that matters is how I hear it ? :P


To an extent, yes. After all, you're the one who has to be satisfied. That being said... if you had the opportunity to hear what a properly tuned and timbre matched system sounds like you'd understand the difference. Instead of a cacophony of noise it's a symphony of sound.

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Is it possible to timbre match different brands?


No, because different companies go about reproducing sound in disparate ways.

If you want a decent guide to some of the basics try this link.

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Measure two identical speakers and watch how dissimilar FR is........

I've seen rooms using three, yes three different speaker manufacturers in their system......sound was "Symphonic!"

Granted, the guy is a Guru regarding integrating....EQ!
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Where I've found it's evident that speakers aren't timber matched is during panning sounds from speaker to speaker. The different timbre stands out and becomes noticeable. For example when the sound of a plane pans from front right to surround right
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Where I've found it's evident that speakers aren't timber matched is during panning sounds from speaker to speaker. The different timbre stands out and becomes noticeable. For example when the sound of a plane pans from front right to surround right
Agreed! It's even worse when the camera pans and moves a voice from l\r to the center.
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Where I've found it's evident that speakers aren't timber matched is during panning sounds from speaker to speaker. The different timbre stands out and becomes noticeable. For example when the sound of a plane pans from front right to surround right
Doppler effect.........shouldn't sound exactly the same
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A sound going across the front soundstage ( Left to Center to Right) should have the same sound qualities, otherwise it could be distracting for discerning listeners. However, if you honestly can't tell the difference (even after listening to a properly calibrated and timbre matched system), then you shouldn't need to worry about it.
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Timbre match........hmmmmmmmm

Timbre matching produces "Symphony of sound?"

Not using timber matched speakers all around produces same similar sound as fingernails moving across a chalkboard?


Ok........

BTW, same two speakers can/will not match exactly across full frequency spectrum.........not to mention changing speaker location can change impression of timbre.

Match speakers by frequency response, sensitivities, and rms capabilities..........let eq do the rest. Same speakers ie "timbre matched" speakers can make process of calibration much easier......that's it.
The left and right speakers obviously are placed closer to a side wall than the center speaker is. So due to the combined effect of SBIR ( http://www.gikacoustics.com/speaker-...-response-sbir ) and modal ringing you will get waterfall plots in REW that look wildly different for the center speaker than they do for the left or right speaker no matter what, and no amount of EQ is going to help fix that problem because an accurate un-smoothed hi res waterfall plot says a thousand times more about timbre than any frequency response curve ever will, with or without the EQ. You can flush mount your speakers if their design dictates that you should flush mount them. You can install two boatloads of broadband absorption everywhere in your room. And you can choose to believe that you can cheat physics.
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