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Recently I've reviewed the new breakthrough class seven D Pioneer SC-61 receiver. http://www.avsforum.com/t/1417558/pioneers-reasonably-priced-sc-61-class-d-receiver/0_60#post_22271495
There I wanted to give a corresponding recommendation for selecting a high-performance yet value speaker. Then how to properly set-up the system without instantly jumping into the auto-calibration.
For requirements, the speaker had to be able to take advantage of the SC-61's bi-amp capability and in reality set a new baseline. I've found the answers in the JBL Studio Series 5.

I'm felt compelled to post my observations (and that of others) here so you may share in the thrilling rediscovery of your music and movie collection.
It's understandable that JBL speakers have not been taken seriously in America (like Bose) excluding a very high-end niche segment. That is about to change with the British (rather ironically) first accurately identifying the American breakthrough in affordable and wide-ranging horn technology.
Be sure to read through the review and listen to the You-tube video to see if you want this new, exciting and pleasurable technology. Oh yes, just remember to remove them grills!

System Matching the High Value Pioneer SC-61 Class D Receiver
It is well established that the SC-61 Class D offers a precise, effortless wide dynamic range and immersive soundstage which optimally should be exploited to allow for the professional-level of dynamics and articulation of digital commercial movie theaters. For that we need to match to a line of speakers.

In past decades JBL restricted their best speaker technologies (horns) to the well-heeled high-end market segment. Given the increasingly frugal economic conditions and the shrinking of that segment, JBL is seriously targeting the quality and value consumer marketplace. This is good news for you and me! The common goal is to seek a magical realism in our home theater system without breaking the bank.

I bought into JBL’s first attempt to gain broader acceptance at reasonable prices with the Studio SL80 series:http://www.jblsynthesis.com/downloads/products/prod_97_634484108436718358_brochure_JBL_LS_English.pdf. These horn speakers use titanium diaphragms and neodymium magnets and have exquisite cabinets. They are also difficult to locate, audition and purchase. From experience the LS80 with dual 8” woofers is designed for large American rooms.

JBL latest high-value design is the Studio 5 series designed by Chief Engineer Greg Timbers, who developed the acclaimed Everest, K2 and Project Array systems high-end speakers. All can be bi-amped. For 5.1 surround systems the Pioneer 7.1 SC-61 can bi-amp the front main speakers to increase the dynamic range.

The Series 5 bi-radial horn uses neodymium magnet but substitutes a Dupont Teonex film diaphragm. This technology “represents a significant breakthrough in dielectric film technology for Flexible Printed Circuitry. The distinct advantages of Teonex PEN Film films combine to meet the special demands imposed on the dielectric substrate during each production stage and ultimate end use.” http://www.pleo.com/dupont/xm020.htm. JBL claims this material is stiffer than conventional materials and delivers ‘tighter, more precise mid and high frequencies’. Well shall see as I have a pair of 570’s arriving shortly. I plan to, bi-amp, fine tune the speaker position and toe-in and then look at what the Pioneer Advance MACC can make any improvement, especially the x-curves.

Looking back at the Harmon/Infinity/JBL consumer lines, I never cared much for the previous CMMD (ceramic metal matrix diaphragm) dome tweeters. The Series 5 new technology eliminates the dome super-tweeter. The results are a two-driver design with all but one incorporating dual woofers. Technically it is significant that the horn crosses over at 1.5Khz an octave lower than usual. From the picture the typical degradation from the grill to the mids and treble is removed. The fully exposed horn accounts also accounts for the unique appearance.
The Youtube video explains the technology behind the JBL horns. Pay particular attention to the drum sound difference between JBL horn and conventional drivers and decide if this is the type of sound you want to explore.


Here are some positive reviews from (god save the queen and British loudspeakers!) England:
http://www.whathifi.com/review/studio-580
http://www.whathifi.com/review/jbl-studio-530
Reviewer Keith Howard gives excellent technical insight pointing out the 580 is best suited for larger rooms:
http://www.hifinews.co.uk/news/article/jbl-studio-580-pound;1300/9638/
The 590 overwhelms the smaller German rooms:
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=de&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.magnus.de%2Ftestbericht%2Fjbl-studio-590-im-test-1316513.html

Price and Availability
The Series 5 is available at many retailers and directly from the Harmon on-line shop. All at the same street price.
The 570 does not appear to be available outside the USA. http://eu.jbl.com/studio-5-series-eu/brand_jbl/home_audio/home-series/studio-5-serie.html
It is available at a discount from the http://www.harmanaudio.com/search_browse/reconditioned.asp. Experience tells its being discontinued. Must be too cheap!
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The speakers arrived. First impression is the 570 is a midget floor standing speaker. At 34” it’s less than waist high. It might prove beneficial to mount on a sturdy 7-8” base.

First major ordeal solved: I was wrong in assuming the Studio 5 grill would be transparent. From the pictures it appeared that the grill didn’t cover up the horn. There was an initial rather nasty brightness/pinching irritation, which after a couple of hours of intense experimentation was traced to the grill. I removed the grill and then was able to determine what the mysterious included curved glass filled ABS piece was for (without reading the owner’s manual!). Removing the grill and installing this “leaf” maximizes the controlled directivity. Just like the skin of an aircraft, a smooth flared surface everywhere is extremely important for high performance air-flow. High fidelity is getting quite refined. Impressive but did the other reviewers miss this?

The series 5 horn is mounted vertically which i recall was determined to be better than horizontal mounting. The horn is very large in proportion to the speaker, just like the professional gear. The step down model Studio 190 horn is dinky in comparison).

Confirmed the speaker is inefficient. Reviewer Keith Howard explains it best:
“Horn loading used often to be regarded (and still is) merely as a means to enhance a speaker’s sensitivity. But when you combine a horn-loaded tweeter with direct-radiating bass-mid units, as JBL does here, there’s only so much of this potential you can exploit because the latter will inevitably determine the speaker’s overall sensitivity. So JBL deploys horn loading to different effect: to reduce distortion and increase dynamic range, and to control directivity. As JBL puts it in the Studio 580 product leafl et, ‘Controlled directivity at ear level of seated listeners minimizes unwanted HF interaction with walls and furniture’.”.

The pioneer SC-61 provides a total of about 300 watts bi-amped into the rated six ohm speaker impedance. The Series 5 woofers are designed for excellent transient response and gradual low-end fall-off, which mate exceptionally well with a sealed box sub-woofer. Bi-amping is best but bi-wiring offers most of the benefits.
The bottom line is the speaker is performing just as the reviews stated. It is very dynamic (read loud), well balanced and almost full range, coherent with strikingly low distortion. It’s a breakthrough of sorts, especially for home theater. It will be a welcome addition to one of my surround sound installations. The taller 42” 580 is better suited for main speakers. I might also be purchasing the 520C center for maximum speech legibility.
Here is another good chart explaining the series 5 advantages:
http://manuals.harman.com/JBL/HOM/Quick%20Specs/STUDIO580_FB_EN.pdf
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I listened to the bi-amped 570 speakers again using music sources. The overwhelming observation is one of being able to hear the smooth, uniform constant "spray" of sound out of the horn for a wide range of frequencies (1.5KHz up). Its as easy to hear as it is to see, as depicted in the you-tube garden hose nozzle example.

This perfect pattern eliminates an untold number traditional speaker design limitations, interference, coloration's and distortions. Its a remarkable listening experience!

The magical sound can be yours too by mating the series 5 horns to an excellent sealed-box 12" (or larger) sub-woofer and the powerfully dynamic and low distortion Pioneer SC-61 Class D receiver.
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This as a battle of three leading technologies. The British coaxial speakers (Kef), the American JBL horns, and the German Heil Air Motion (AMT).

Presently JBL wins competition as the British and German entries are hugely more expensive. Even if price were removed as a consideration, the JBL would win in sound quality with higher dynamics and lower distortion. I have not heard the Kef. The Heil AMT treble would be more refined.
More importantly the JBL is simply the most fun to listen to!
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$2K

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Just for fun here is the 1% horn solution:

Lets see what the wife says about two of these German babies in the family room!
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so how do they compare to the LS series?
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I wonder what they think of this commercial speaker entry over in the DIY Speaker forum here on AVS? Many over there are fond of the SEOS waveguides. Were he still alive, I'd love to hear what ZilchLab would've said because he was a big JBL fan as I recall.

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Has JBL stopped making the 5 series speakers? I don't see them anymore on their website.
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Has JBL stopped making the 5 series speakers? I don't see them anymore on their website.
I know this is a few months back but bestbuy and amazon has the 570 in stock and onsale. Looking for reviews and ran into this thread. Not sure if they are still producing them though.
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All of the 5 series are shown on the website. I wasn't looking on the correct link. You will even now find a new Studio 5 subwoofer with a 12" driver, goes down to 22Hz. I have the 550P. I love a sealed sub enclosure, not into boomy bass. The 530's alone produce good bass, but for movies a sub is always good to have, plus it release stress from the other speakers.
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I have the Studio 530's. I've had them just over a year, and have no desire at all to "upgrade". They are wonderful speakers.

It's too bad most people here will never know how good they really are. They are far under the radar for some reason. I'd feel confident putting them against most other stand mount type speakers that are usually recommended here.
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I have the Studio 530's. I've had them just over a year, and have no desire at all to "upgrade". They are wonderful speakers.

It's too bad most people were never know how good they really are. They are far under the radar for some reason. I'd feel confident putting them against most other stand mount type speakers that are usually recommended here.
I agree with you 150%. For the price you cannot get better. They are worth more than twice the cost. I have 4 530's, 1 520C, 1 550P. Running them is a Sony STR-DN1050. Music, movies, whatever you throw at them sounds fantastic. For regular TV I listen in 2 channel stereo. The horns spread the sound out and it sounds as if there is a center channel. The JBL horns are very detailed, even at lower volumes, but never harsh as Klipsch horns.
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I have the 520c as well. My main use is for music, but the 530's along with the 520c perform excellent for movies too. I also have 3 subwoofers, eq'ed with REW and a minidsp, and I cannot find any real fault with the setup. I've always found something I didn't like with every other speakers I've owned.

Yeah, that horn is where a lot of the magic happens, and like you said, the polar opposite of something shrill like a Klipsch horn. These have a midrange that is more precise and clear than anything else I've owned. The vocals never get lost no matter what type of music I play. They don't seem to be biased towards any music style either, which is a huge plus as I listen to a lot of different stuff.
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I bought the 530's about a month ago and I'm amazed. I'm not a pro at this hobby by any means, but they blow my Def Tech DR-7's and Def Tech BP 2000's out of the water when matched with the PSA XS15se sub. If I were to upgrade it would be to a bigger 5 series speaker, but I don't see much need. For me, the 530's sort of melt into the background, and I can push them, but they never seem loud (or harsh I guess). Super clear and the bass (without a sub) is far better than I would expect from a 5.25 driver. I mean, these little puppies can hit low and clean. I also agree that the horn provides a unique sound that I have never quite heard before. The highs come through clean and clear but anything shrill seems to be discarded (in the best way you can possibly imagine) I used these forums to research the 530's so I wanted to drop in and give a positive review for anyone looking at these speakers.

The only downside? I think that they expose poor recordings/source material and if you want to use a sub, you might want to make sure it can keep up. That's how I ended up with the PSA!

I'm running them with 90WPC Yamaha RX 675.

The 520c is on my list after I add a second PSA sub.

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I live in a condo, thus am happy with the clean bass of the JBL Sub 550P. If I lived in a house and needed a powerful sub I'd get myself a SVS SB13 Ultra. http://www.svsound.com/subwoofers/sealed-box
A sealed subwoofer is recommended for these speakers. I've always loved a sealed sub, love tight non boomy bass. I find that a sealed sub can be placed in a corner and not get ultra boomy as a lot of ported subs do.

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These are truly remarkable speakers, in every way. I have the 530's and a 520. It's just that they expose so much detail and bad, bad mastering that you will be forced to throw away half of your cd and recording collection. If you enjoy a lot of mainstream music, for the love of God, don't buy them because it will decimate your collection. They just scream dynamics, if it isn't there in a recording, the "music" falls flat and you just want to shut it off and discard the CD and LP's you have enjoyed for years before.

Unfortunately a lot of current recordings have succumbed to the loudness wars. What the hell is wrong with you people in the recording industry? If I want loud I turn the volume up!

I enjoy them best in the home theater setting though, it has so, so much dynamics that it will guaranteed to jump your chair. And crystal clear, I am amazed how much dB's these relatively small speakers can make. Without audible distortion I might add. Just make sure you have a pretty clean sounding system, it will reveal every weak point.

The reliability of the JBL subwoofers (electronics) made me pass on this one (friend of mine blew two JBL subs, and switched to a Klipsch now), I still use my trusty old REL Q150E mk II. It misses some raw power, but I can live with that for the moment.

I guess JBL stopped making these Studio 5 speakers. The last sign of them was on the JBL Synthesis page. Very underrated product.
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These are truly remarkable speakers, in every way. I have the 530's and a 520. It's just that they expose so much detail and bad, bad mastering that you will be forced to throw away half of your cd and recording collection. If you enjoy a lot of mainstream music, for the love of God, don't buy them because it will decimate your collection. They just scream dynamics, if it isn't there in a recording, the "music" falls flat and you just want to shut it off and discard the CD and LP's you have enjoyed for years before.

Unfortunately a lot of current recordings have succumbed to the loudness wars. What the hell is wrong with you people in the recording industry? If I want loud I turn the volume up!

I enjoy them best in the home theater setting though, it has so, so much dynamics that it will guaranteed to jump your chair. And crystal clear, I am amazed how much dB's these relatively small speakers can make. Without audible distortion I might add. Just make sure you have a pretty clean sounding system, it will reveal every weak point.

The reliability of the JBL subwoofers (electronics) made me pass on this one (friend of mine blew two JBL subs, and switched to a Klipsch now), I still use my trusty old REL Q150E mk II. It misses some raw power, but I can live with that for the moment.

I guess JBL stopped making these Studio 5 speakers. The last sign of them was on the JBL Synthesis page. Very underrated product.


Looks like there still there to me, http://www.jbl.com/loudspeakers/STUD...=Black#start=1
Wish my wife would let me give these a try lol, haven't been to thrilled with my rc-70 from an output/dynamics point a view driven by a acurus a200.

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I have the Studio 530's. I've had them just over a year, and have no desire at all to "upgrade". They are wonderful speakers.

It's too bad most people here will never know how good they really are. They are far under the radar for some reason. I'd feel confident putting them against most other stand mount type speakers that are usually recommended here.
I don't think the studio 530 are undermentioned on this forum...I see them recommended often! however, they may be a price range above the average suggestion on here. When someone asked "what is the best pair of speakers I can get for 300 dollars"...well, the JBLs aren't in that conversation!

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and EMP e5Bi surrounds, Outlaw LFM1 Plus sub, EMP 10i10i sub
Set up #2: Def Tech SM450, CLR2002, SLS Qline surrounds and Klipsch 12wD sub
Set up #3: Philharmonics- BMR in a 2.0 system, music only
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I don't think the studio 530 are undermentioned on this forum...I see them recommended often! however, they may be a price range above the average suggestion on here. When someone asked "what is the best pair of speakers I can get for 300 dollars"...well, the JBLs aren't in that conversation!
They're brought up quite often and always favorably. In fact, because of all the mentions here on AVS I was going to order a pair and the matching center last week. Unfortunately they're on backorder until May...
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They're brought up quite often and always favorably. In fact, because of all the mentions here on AVS I was going to order a pair and the matching center last week. Unfortunately they're on backorder until May...

You will be happy, they will sound even better after break in (about 40 hours). Remember to toe in the front L&R speakers, minimum of 6 feet apart. They sound so spacious when listening to stereo I swear the center channel is working. The review that sold me was this one:
http://www.whathifi.com/jbl/studio-530/review
I have 5 530's, 1 520C, 1 550P. AV Receiver Sony STR DN-1050
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You will be happy, they will sound even better after break in (about 40 hours). Remember to toe in the front L&R speakers, minimum of 6 feet apart. They sound so spacious when listening to stereo I swear the center channel is working. The review that sold me was this one:
http://www.whathifi.com/jbl/studio-530/review
I have 5 530's, 1 520C, 1 550P. AV Receiver Sony STR DN-1050

I totally agree! These are by far the best $500 I spent on speakers. I wow'd them so much I unloaded my B&W 685s and 684s. I now own a pair of the 530s along w/ the 520 and soon the 570s or if I get very excited I may snag the 580s


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I am now thinking of replacing my AVR (Sony STR DN-1050) with a NAD T748V2.  No gimmicks, just pure sound quality.  I've owned Sony, Yamaha, Pioneer.  They all basically sound the same.  NAD is supposed to be special,  the way amplifiers used to be made.


UPDATE: 18.Feb.2016
I ended up ordering a Sony STR-ZA1000ES Av receiver which I'm waiting to be delivered. I got it at 1/3 off for $599 from Monoprice.

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I am now thinking of replacing my AVR (Sony STR DN-1050) with a NAD T748V2.  No gimmicks, just pure sound quality.  I've owned Sony, Yamaha, Pioneer.  They all basically sound the same.  NAD is supposed to be special,  the way amplifiers used to be made.

I can tell you between my marantz vs yamaha they do not sound no where near the same. Two totally different sound offerings between these two.

But NAD is nice and I say go for it!!
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Anyone have an opinion on how the 570 would perform of they were set horizontally? There's a pair a couple hours away for a great deal and if they will sound good on their side, I may make the purchase.


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Anyone have an opinion on how the 570 would perform of they were set horizontally? There's a pair a couple hours away for a great deal and if they will sound good on their side, I may make the purchase.


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Seems to me a poor idea to set up a unit with a waveguide in an orientation other than the one it was designed for.

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I can tell you between my marantz vs yamaha they do not sound no where near the same. Two totally different sound offerings between these two.

But NAD is nice and I say go for it!!
Which do you like better? I am trying to decide on a new receiver and speakers and am leaning towards Marantz and want a smooth sound that is not harsh like my Paradigms.
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Which do you like better? I am trying to decide on a new receiver and speakers and am leaning towards Marantz and want a smooth sound that is not harsh like my Paradigms.
if your goal is to go for the smooth and warm sound..... Marantz all the way. I like the Marantz for 2-channel music.
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if your goal is to go for the smooth and warm sound..... Marantz all the way. I like the Marantz for 2-channel music.

I hear that Marantz and Denon are basically the same receivers. Locally I cannot get a Marantz but can get a Denon (authorized dealer). Will manly be used for streaming TV/Movies/Music, ocassionally Blu Ray movie. Powering four JBL Studio 530, 1 520C, 1 550P sub. Is the 2200 a good choice?
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thanks for the replies.

Next questions
Are the 530s discontinued?
Does anybody know where to get a pair in either color?
Is there going to be a replacement if they are discontinued?
Will they make any improvements?

Thanks guys. bummed I cant find a set anywhere.
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thanks for the replies.

Next questions
Are the 530s discontinued?
Does anybody know where to get a pair in either color?
Is there going to be a replacement if they are discontinued?
Will they make any improvements?

Thanks guys. bummed I cant find a set anywhere.
JBL says April 29 availability. The wood veneer has only been available at a stupid premium.

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