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post #31 of 58 Old 08-04-2012, 06:29 AM
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As opposed to putting them on the floor where the high frequencies can't be heard? As for their size, if you want high sensitivity you'll only get it from a large cab. In the OP's case high sensitivity speakers seem a more viable alternative than dropping the ceiling eight feet.
Well definitely not on the floor. I just think of the SHO's as more of a speaker that you would place on a stand.

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Guys, it looks like he is sitting almost 22' away from his speakers! With 18' ceilings also this is a big challenge. I think Bill is spot on, he will need the most sensitive speakers out there. The SHO 10's/Pro 10's make a lot of sense. Yes, he will have to buy his 5.1 setup in stages, but sticking less sensitive speakers in that space will not make much sense.

OP, any chance you can move that couch forward? I am not even sure how you can see much detail from the TV at 22' back...
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OP, any chance you can move that couch forward? I am not even sure how you can see much detail from the TV at 22' back...

Right! I sit 10 feet away (lee even) from a 120 inch screen.
Plus sitting against the back wall is not the best place for surround sound either.

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IME SHOs sound better when positioned on or close to the wall. ( I suspect that this is because the baffle step is not an issue).

Even though the SHO-10 may look large, they are actually shallower than many bookshelf speakers out there.

But if one is looking for a speaker that will disappear in the leaving room decor, then SHO may not be the right choice.
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I think that the SHO wouldn't look big in that big room,He have plenty of space for larger speakers,Those bookshelf will look small in that room so they can be positioning on the walls,They wont look bad at all.But definitely he need a high sensitivity speaker with compression horn tweeter.



other wise you will have to move your seating position more closer for other type of speakers.
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Alright guys. So I have decided to go with the HTD flat panels for now. Also decided on the AVR-1912 from accessories4less. That brings my total expense to $925.00.

Now the only thing left is the sub.....So just like you guys suggested the minimum requirements for speakers for my relatively large room, what are the minimum requirements for the SUB? Also any suggestions that would match my picks? I am thinking, I may spend some extra cash and get the whole system all together.

Thanks and you guys rock. smile.gif

Btw, Bill, really appreciate your advice and I will definitely be looking at these SHO's for my basement home theatre. It just that I dont like to hang bookshelves in my family area, plus they are a bit out of the budget right now. With that being said, I am usually the kind that "buys once and cries once" but I will have to make an exception in this case. Once again, appreciate your time and advice.smile.gif
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Alright guys. So I have decided to go with the HTD flat panels for now. Also decided on the AVR-1912 from accessories4less. That brings my total expense to $925.00.
Now the only thing left is the sub.....So just like you guys suggested the minimum requirements for speakers for my relatively large room, what are the minimum requirements for the SUB? Also any suggestions that would match my picks? I am thinking, I may spend some extra cash and get the whole system all together.

The HTD Flat Panel speakers are good, I would still move that couch forward. How much budget do you have left for a sub?
No need to worry about brand matching a subwoofer.

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So right now, I am planning to hang the surrounds on the side walls, facing the couch. I did move the couch about 6 inches forward from the rear wall. As far as budget, I guess, just like speakers, it will depend on what is the minimum required sub size in my room.

Also, hanging the surrounds up high like 10 -11 ft shouldn't be an issue right? I am thinking of tilting them a bit downwards towards the couch. Another question was that the avr-1912 outputs 90watts each, but the HTD surrounds are rated for 80 watts max, any issue there?

http://www.htd.com/Products/flat-panel-speakers/middy-compact-speaker

and just to confirm, I am looking at the Middy Compact Speakers from HTD for the surrounds.
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fwiw,if you can bring the surrounds down to about 5-6ft.off the floor would be better. should have no problem with wattage issue and if don't mind buying used a member is selling his eD a2-300 sub for $200 in the avs classifieds just a suggestion

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Also, hanging the surrounds up high like 10 -11 ft shouldn't be an issue right? I am thinking of tilting them a bit downwards towards the couch. Another question was that the avr-1912 outputs 90watts each, but the HTD surrounds are rated for 80 watts max, any issue there?
http://www.htd.com/Products/flat-panel-speakers/middy-compact-speaker
and just to confirm, I am looking at the Middy Compact Speakers from HTD for the surrounds.

Lower your surrounds, the Middy will be fine and will timbre match the Flat Panels. As long as you do not
use extreme volume levels, the 1912 with the speakers will be OK. Things can sound better if you can find
a way (have room), to move the couch up even more.

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slight change. I think, I am leaning more towards Denon AVR-2112CI as compared to 1912. Seems to have more features plus Audyssey MultEQ XT seems to be a good thing to have. smile.gif
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Lower your surrounds, the Middy will be fine and will timbre match the Flat Panels. As long as you do not
use extreme volume levels, the 1912 with the speakers will be OK. Things can sound better if you can find
a way (have room), to move the couch up even more.

cant move the surrounds any lower due to the fact that one side of the room doesnt have a wall, rather a hallway rolleyes.gif
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cant move the surrounds any lower due to the fact that one side of the room doesnt have a wall, rather a hallway rolleyes.gif

Then tilt/aim them down. A lot of people do this.

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fwiw,if you can bring the surrounds down to about 5-6ft.off the floor would be better. should have no problem with wattage issue and if don't mind buying used a member is selling his eD a2-300 sub for $200 in the avs classifieds just a suggestion

dont mind used at all. But, is this the sub (eD a2-300) that will be enough for me?
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I would look at the Outlaw subs, they will play pass 100 hz
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html

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I would look at the Outlaw subs, they will play pass 100 hz
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfm1plus.html

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Elemental Designs has had a lot of problems with their products and service. I would stay away from them. The Outlaw LFM-1 Plus or the HSU VTF-2 MK4 would be good choices.

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well, ~$500.00+ is a bit out of the budget, since I have yet to buy a 3d player as well.
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well, ~$500.00+ is a bit out of the budget, since I have yet to buy a 3d player as well.

The Klipsch RW-12, is $299 til midnight
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078

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any issues with having this sub on hardwood floor? Do have kids in the house so side firing might be an issue....
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any issues with having this sub on hardwood floor? Do have kids in the house so side firing might be an issue....

Some people use a subwoofer isolation riser - your subwoofer will have a grill
http://www.amazon.com/Auralex-Subwoofer-Isolation-15x15x2-inch-Charcoal/dp/B001140OZ0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1344830020&sr=8-1&keywords=subwoofer+pad

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dmi&field-keywords=Auralex+SubDude+Subwoofer+Isolation+Riser

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Ordered and Done. Lets hope everything works out good.biggrin.gif
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Got the speakers delivered. Impressed with the packaging as they were double boxed and then in a cloth bag. Nice build quality as well. Haven't tested the sound yet. Will keep you guys posted.
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I did move the couch about 6 inches forward from the rear wall.

I think you are still too far away from the front speakers and way too close to the back wall. It would be difficult to get good surround sound being that close to the back wall (look up stuff on ideal surround speaker placement). I would suggest moving the couch 8' forward so you will be 14-16' from the TV. That would greatly improve your sound by improving the surround speakers as well as making it so you won't be too far from the fronts (especially since your front speakers are relatively small for the size of that room). Also, an 80" TV from 14' would look fantastic compared to 22' away.

Moving up the couch closer may not look as bad as you might think; I used to have mine on the back wall and moved it up 1/3 of the way up and I prefer the look. At least you could try it and demo the speakers from that location for comparison after redoing Audyssey.
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Yes, the couch has been moved forward a bit so the rear surrounds are actually behind the couch now.

Does anybody know about a recent reference disc that can be used to audition/tweak the speakers. I have the older one that Klipsch had at one point, wonder if there is a latest one out...!!!

Thanks.
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Anybody...?? Or is it that I am limited to certain parts of certain movies....!!
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There is a thread called home theater demo tree over in the dedicated theater forum. You can download that and burn to blu ray if you have a burner.
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If this is your first Denon and use of Audyssey, one thing that could help to get your audio configured well is AVS member batpig's Denon and Audyssey guides.

Also, if you have not calibrated your TV, the Disney WOW disk is worth getting. The video calibration tools are excellent. It also has some short Disney video demo stuff, some of which your kids would like. Not sure that the audio calibration stuff will be all that useful since Audyssey MultiEQ XT will do most of the work for you.

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Guys,

Thanks a bunch for your help. Got everything hooked up and it sounds GREAT. I am trying to tweak things so the klipsch sub has a tight-er punch. Other than that, I am happy with the speaker quality from HTD.
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