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Hey all -

I'm just getting into the market for speakers and I've come across the Energy V6.2 and Infinity P363 models. WHat do you guys think would be a better speaker? I would be using them for both music and movies equally and I typically go for more bass driven speakers.

If any other speakers come to mind, please suggest! I'm open!

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Just be aware that Inifinty/HK has misrepresented the impedance on the 363s. Audioholics tested them and found that they should be rated at 4 ohms. For me, that would be a deal breaker unless I had a receiver rated for 4 ohms, although other people on AVS are less concerned about it.

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Hey all -
I'm just getting into the market for speakers and I've come across the Energy V6.2 and Infinity P363 models. WHat do you guys think would be a better speaker? I would be using them for both music and movies equally and I typically go for more bass driven speakers.
If any other speakers come to mind, please suggest! I'm open!
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Energy V6.2 for sure. P363 is an entry level tower speaker. The P363 can't compete with the Energy RC series towers and the Veritias has a better build quality than the RC's.

What's your budget?

The P363 cost $99 on sale and the V6.2 is $299.

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Thanks guys. My budget is between $1500 and $2000, although I'm unsure if i'll get surround speakers and my room is huge and has wood floors. Not sure how i could conceal the wires for the surround speakers.

Thank being said, I'd also need a strong receiver. Right now I'm using a lower end onkeo.
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Do you know your taste of sound Warm , Bright ,Forward Sounding ,Laid Back ......?

Different speakers brand have different characteristic in sound.

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Can't comment on the Infinity, but I just returned some V6.2s and I can say that without a doubt the build quality is no where near the standards set at the suggested MSRP. Considering they were originally $1200/ea the build was just OK at best. The counter sinking for the aluminum driver mounting bracket was uneven and the bracket itself exhibited some warping. The finish caused a "warping" look to the sides of the enclosure due to the uneven coating. The holes for the threads at the base of each speaker for spikes was rough and unfinished. Basically chipped pieces of MDF were present. I have had many speakers manufactured in China, but these were easily some of the worst. They were not worth the $600 I paid much less $2400.

From the sound side, they sounded OK at low to moderate listening levels, but when pushed to 85db or beyond the tweeter began to sound extremely hot and compress. This was my first experience with Energy and it will be my last. API speakers used to be pretty good (I loved my old Mirage OM series floorstanders), but I guess since Klispch got a hold of them it has been all down hill.

Consider Tekton Designs. A buddy of mine has the M-Lore and they are pretty fantastic. For $650, the build quality was leaps and bounds beyond the Veritas. The sound is on a whole different level.

In fact, check this link. If I could get this guy to ship, I would buy them. http://app.audiogon.com/listings/tekton-design-lore-s-white-nyc

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WOW Balthazar2k4 I own this speakers the veritas v6.3 they are beautiful speakers and they have a really good sound ,I respect your comment but that was kind of unnecessary and a little bit over reacting , what you experienced with the speakers is very rare for others that already owns this speakers.

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WOW Balthazar2k4 I own this speakers the veritas v6.3 they are beautiful speakers and they have a really good sound ,I respect your comment but that was kind of unnecessary and a little bit over reacting , what you experienced with the speakers is very rare for others that already owns this speakers.

I fail to understand how my experience is either over-reacting or unnecessary. My opinion may differ from yours, but my experience has clearly differed greatly from yours. I am glad your are enjoying your speakers and I understand that many others are enjoying these speakers as well. I cannot comment for others, but from my own experience only. That was my experience.
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I can understand that you receive a product with some imperfections ,but saying that they where some of the worst speakers manufactured from china?well is based on your own experienced not a experienced from me and others I understand that.

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I have several speakers (i.e. Emotiva, AudioEngine, M-Audio, Martin Logan) that are proudly made in the PRC. Their fit & finish was as good or exceeded what I experienced from the Energy Veritas. I take no issue with products made in China that are made well. It can be done. I worked there for seven years at a manufacturing facility and know first hand it can be done. That is why given the reputation Energy has/had I expected better. Especially for what ostensibly was a flagship line. Maybe my standards are too high, but I don't believe that is the case. I believe my Veritas were simply substandard workmanship.

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losservatore & all :

I've always liked rich sounding speakers. This might be a AVS faux pas, so forgive me, but I've always been impressed with Aiwa's sound. Their speakers always had a rich, true sound to them. Which is probably why I also like MaCintosh speakers, but no way would I spend that coin!

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I can understand that you receive a product with some imperfections ,but saying that they where some of the worst speakers manufactured from china?well is based on your own experienced not a experienced from me and others I understand that.

I can second that. I don't have as many Energy speakers as losservatore has, but I do have Energy RC-50s, RC-10s, an RC-LCR, Veritas VS Surrounds, and Veritas 5.1s. All have excellent build quality and finish.

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I'd have to agree with losser and Cel4145, the finish on my Veritas 5.1s and 5.2 center is very pleasing. I don't own the 6.2s or the 6.3s but i believe their finish is identical, being from the same line and all. It may be unfair to compare the Veritas line with the 363s though. Aside from the big price difference, the components use on the Veritas are, IMO, better than on the 363s. I have heard the 363s and think they are a great, great entry level speaker. If the 6.2s are voiced and look like my 5.1 and 5.2 then I would rather have the Veritas line.


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I have been tempted to purchase the V6.2's but to me something doesnt seem right. Why is Energy turning these loose for such a low price? I've only read a couple negative things about them but then again there arent a ton of comments out there either. Are they a step down from my b&w cm5's? BTW i'm using Marantz PM15s1 & SA15s1.
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I have been tempted to purchase the V6.2's but to me something doesnt seem right. Why is Energy turning these loose for such a low price? I've only read a couple negative things about them but then again there arent a ton of comments out there either. Are they a step down from my b&w cm5's? BTW i'm using Marantz PM15s1 & SA15s1.


The energy veritas v6.2 is a 2.5 way speaker not a full 3 way speaker, The energy veritas v6.2 2.5-way speaker will be excellent for movies ,But for (music)... Because it doesn't have a dedicate separate mid range speaker, Vocals wont be as clear like a full 3 way. But if you mix in the receiver the energy veritas center v5.2 with the energy veritas V6.2 you will get a clean vocals.You ether used then for dedicate movie or play then with the center for a better vocal performance, However you wont notice any difference in instrumental music between the full 3 way energy veritas v6.3 and the 2.5 way energy veritas v6.2.


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I just received the rosewood v 6.2's delivered about 2 hours ago. I can only compare them to my Bose Acoustimass system, but they look and sound fantastic. Energy is not setting the price, Vanns is. The sales rep at Vanns informed me they have too many v6.2's in stock, so they lowered the price to clear out inventory. Right now, the price delta is so large between the 6.2's and 6.3's that I couldnt justify going to the 6.3. In fact, I was planning on using 5.1's for the front with a nice speaker stand. However once you throw in a $100 stand I figured I was better off spending the money on more cabinet space with the larger speaker.

My 5.2c is still in transit. I'm rounding out the rears with 5.1's.
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I have been tempted to purchase the V6.2's but to me something doesnt seem right. Why is Energy turning these loose for such a low price? I've only read a couple negative things about them but then again there arent a ton of comments out there either. Are they a step down from my b&w cm5's? BTW i'm using Marantz PM15s1 & SA15s1.

Vanns is also the exclusive US seller of the Energy RC series, the series right below the Veritas. Because Vanns buys Energy speakers in such large volume and sells online, they often discount speakers quite a bit.

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I just received the rosewood v 6.2's delivered about 2 hours ago. I can only compare them to my Bose Acoustimass system, but they look and sound fantastic. Energy is not setting the price, Vanns is. The sales rep at Vanns informed me they have too many v6.2's in stock, so they lowered the price to clear out inventory. Right now, the price delta is so large between the 6.2's and 6.3's that I couldnt justify going to the 6.3. In fact, I was planning on using 5.1's for the front with a nice speaker stand. However once you throw in a $100 stand I figured I was better off spending the money on more cabinet space with the larger speaker.
My 5.2c is still in transit. I'm rounding out the rears with 5.1's.

That's going to sound awesome once you get them all in and setup biggrin.gif

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energy veritas v hit that low price because they are been discontinued and not longer making then since audiovox bought the company.If you go to the energy website looks like audiovox is making things worst with their new products.

Get what is left before is too late...


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EF-500 Tower Speaker
here is the spec http://www.energy-speakers.com/tower-speakers/?sku=EF-500



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Energy Power EM-2.1 Multimedia System
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Energy Power Bar Soundbar
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energy veritas v hit that low price because they are been discontinued and not longer making then since audiovox bought the company.If you go to the energy website looks like audiovox is making things worst with their new products.
Get what is left before is too late...
new products...

The most amusing part to me is that the EF-500 and EW-100 are not even new - they're simply re-badged Jamo and Klipsch products. Nice one Audiovox. rolleyes.gif

The actual new products look like they belong in Walmart.
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energy veritas v hit that low price because they are been discontinued and not longer making then since audiovox bought the company.If you go to the energy website looks like audiovox is making things worst with their new products.
Get what is left before is too late...
new products...

The most amusing part to me is that the EF-500 and EW-100 are not even new - they're simply re-badged Jamo and Klipsch products. Nice one Audiovox. rolleyes.gif

The actual new products look like they belong in Walmart.


Yes they are re-badget jamo brand, it is sad how audiovox is destroying this brands.

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I just posted this in another thread, so I'll copy it here:

Just be aware that Inifinty/HK has misrepresented the impedance on the 363s. Audioholics tested them and found that they should be rated at 4 ohms. For me, that would be a deal breaker unless I had a receiver rated for 4 ohms, although other people on AVS are less concerned about it.

I disagree with your assessment. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of people running these speakers are running them on a budget AVR not rated for 4 ohms. Everyone has unknowingly conducted a test for all of us, yes you can run a 4 ohm speaker just fine on pretty much any AVR.
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I disagree with your assessment. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of people running these speakers are running them on a budget AVR not rated for 4 ohms. Everyone has unknowingly conducted a test for all of us, yes you can run a 4 ohm speaker just fine on pretty much any AVR.

Like I said. I wouldn't do it, especially on a budget level AVR. If the design tolerances of the amplifier were able to handle a 4 ohm load over long term usage, one would guess that receiver manufacturers would rate them for 4 ohm usage. Just because people can hook up the speakers and the amplifier runs, doesn't mean that it will still be working well in a few years, especially since running lower impedance speakers tends to make many amps run a good bit hotter. Heat is the biggest killer of electronics. Just ask Onkyo about some of their previous receiver problems and the many Microsoft Xbox owners. And anyone who regularly works on PC hardware knows what happens when cheap power supplies get run too hot for too long. LOL

So yeah. Just because people do it, doesn't mean you should wink.gif
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The secret here is that the majority of dual woofer speakers are actually 4 ohm, but rated as 8 ohm. Pretty much all budget speakers are rated as 8ohm, and budget receivers rated at 8ohm. As you move up the price bracket you start to see products rated with lower impedance (or the receivers have preouts). This is one of the last few remaining things that hasnt been hashed out on audio forums. My guess is the receiver manufacturers are covering their asses from people trying to run speakers with much lower then a true 4 ohm impedance (but rated as 4 ohm, jut like these 8 ohm rated speakers are 4 ohm). The results are all over the internet, how often do you ever hear about someone's receiver dying with speakers like those infinity's? The funny thing about onkyo is they rate almost all of their receivers down to 3 ohms, the poor quality is completely unrelated. Electronics now a days are going to fail for more reasons then one can keep track of.
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The secret here is that the majority of dual woofer speakers are actually 4 ohm, but rated as 8 ohm. Pretty much all budget speakers are rated as 8ohm, and budget receivers rated at 8ohm. As you move up the price bracket you start to see products rated with lower impedance (or the receivers have preouts). This is one of the last few remaining things that hasnt been hashed out on audio forums. My guess is the receiver manufacturers are covering their asses from people trying to run speakers with much lower then a true 4 ohm impedance (but rated as 4 ohm, jut like these 8 ohm rated speakers are 4 ohm). The results are all over the internet, how often do you ever hear about someone's receiver dying with speakers like those infinity's? The funny thing about onkyo is they rate almost all of their receivers down to 3 ohms, the poor quality is completely unrelated. Electronics now a days are going to fail for more reasons then one can keep track of.

Budget receiver A might tolerate the 4 ohm load, and budget receiver B might not due to the fault tolerances and end up with failure in a few years in 20% of the receivers that consistently ran the 4ohm load speakers, and we would never know. The average consumer buying those speakers would never put 2 and 2 together--it's not like they all talk to each other and compare notes. LOL

As for Onkyo, my point was that a while back, some Onkyo receiver models earned reputations for running hot and having poor reliability, not to claim that it was related to 4 ohm loads (notice the comparison to the Xbox). So back to my original claim: in my experience, it's can be risky over driving budget consumer electronics where heat build up would be a factor. I've personally seen too many instances of this. So I'd rather take Gene Scalla's advice when it comes to these speakers
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Although Harman rates the Infinity Primus P363 as 8-ohm speakers, what I measured tells a much different story. These are clearly 4-ohm speakers. They appear to be tuned just below 50Hz, but the saddle points are quite asymmetric. This indicates a system tuning too low for the available box size needed to produce a more optimal response. The 4 ohm dip between 100Hz to 200Hz is a bit concerning for those wanting to use these speakers with budget A/V receivers. Even if bass managed, these speakers can present a rather strenuous load if the amplifiers in the A/V receiver don’t take kindly to 4-ohm loads. I found that Infinity employed a 4-ohm tweeter as evident by the impedance dip above 10kHz. I believe they did this in attempt to increase speaker sensitivity.

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Thanks for your comments. Since the 6.2's would be used for 2 channel only perhaps its not a good mix with the Marantz integrated and SACD player. Also, I've read that the 6.2's tend to be a bit forward. Since its next to impossible to demo these at home, thoughts from anyone with 6.2 experience are appreciated.
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Thanks for your comments. Since the 6.2's would be used for 2 channel only perhaps its not a good mix with the Marantz integrated and SACD player. Also, I've read that the 6.2's tend to be a bit forward. Since its next to impossible to demo these at home, thoughts from anyone with 6.2 experience are appreciated.

Best place to get specific answers to quests like that is in the Energy Owners Thread. There are likely many Energy owners who subscribe to that thread who do not peruse the rest of the speaker forurm.

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The results are all over the internet, how often do you ever hear about someone's receiver dying with speakers like those infinity's?.


I am with you on this one - receivers are even built better today > I have driven other 4 ohm speakers with receivers not
rated for 4 ohms, even passive studio monitors. The only thing I would do different, is if the Infinity's are being placed in
large rooms, and not play them in these large rooms with older cheap receivers, having low power and 8 ohm only ratings.

Infinity is not the only speaker company, that has done this ohm rating thing.

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