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I am looking for speakers for my 5.1 HT set-up. 75-25 split for movies vs music. I am thinking of having an HSU VTF-2 MK4 sub.

For the front speakers I was pretty much considering between KEF iQ90 and B&W 684s - and I was inclined towards KEF iQ90 ... vanns.com was selling it at $399 apiece, which I thought was a very good deal, until ... one of my friends told me that the small bros (iQ70) are being sold for $199 apiece at newegg.com

So, what seems to be a better deal: iQ90s for $400 or iQ70s for $200?

p.s. for the center channel I am planning for iQ60c and Mirage OMD5s for the surround
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For me, I would definitely be crossing over to the sub regardless of what the speaker is - so I would get the iQ70s and put the $400 to something else.

btw. I have three iQ3 as my front 3, and they sound awesome biggrin.gif

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If you have a good subwoofer in the system, the IQ70 should work fine down to 50-60 Hz and the sub can take over below that.
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I would go with the IQ70s seems like a great deal on those. If you are already using a KEF center I would only go with KEF for the front L/R. For hometheater I always cross my my speakers at 80hrz, and cross the sub at 80hrz. This lets the fronts handle the upper bass and gives them extra headroom to produce better dynamics and keeps distortion down in midbass, there is some great dynamics all the way up to around 400-500hrz. A good quality subwoofer like HSU, SVS, Rythmik, can produce the bass much better than the main L/R.

Theres really no right or wrong answer though. Play around with your crossover settings and experiment with subwoofer placement to get the best sound to your ears in your own room.
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Go with the iQ70 and utilize the sub starting at an 80hz crossover point and go from there.
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Get the iQ70's, the $400 you save gets you 2/3 towards the HSU VTF-2 MK4 sub.

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I'd definitely get the IQ70s and the HSU sub. GREAT price for them. Should sound fantastic!
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Thank you all for your suggestions

Any thoughts on how these would mix with OMD5s as rear surround to complete the 5.1 set-up? Any other good surround speaker in that range ($400 - $500/pair)? Not looking for bookshelves / front firing speakers.
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since KEF doesn't have any bipole/dipole surrounds in your price range, the OMD5 will probably work as good as anything. I would just use those since you have them.



By the way, if you only have a 5.1 setup they're not REAR surrounds. They're just surround speakers. Rear surrounds (or surround back) are the 7.1 speakers.

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since KEF doesn't have any bipole/dipole surrounds in your price range, the OMD5 will probably work as good as anything. I would just use those since you have them.
By the way, if you only have a 5.1 setup they're not REAR surrounds. They're just surround speakers. Rear surrounds (or surround back) are the 7.1 speakers.

Thanks afrogt for correcting me - yes, I meant the surrounds for the 5.1 set up.

On the OMD5, I do not have it, I need to buy - and within that price point ($400-$500/pr) I was looking for a good speaker, which should not be front firing / bookshelves / small towers ... so suggestion on any bi-pole / di-pole / omnipole is what I am looking at. Somehow I have the feeling that they will do a better job in creating the "surround" effect
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Hello all. This is my virgin post. I am a total newbie to this so don't rip me to shreds. That being said, I went from Pioneer bs21 and def tech 1000 center 5.1 set up with a ( don't laugh, I'm still building) Polk psw110. Powered by pioneer 1021 k. I just got the kef iq70's that you mentioned from newegg. Ignorance is bliss but knowledge is power. The kef's are... a step up. Like a cavalier to a Cadillac. I know most of you are familiar with hifi and I have been reading AVS for a long time now to get quality suggestions as I build. Sound stage, imaging, accuracy, I had to read about those terms. Now I understand. The kef's are fantastic. I know there is more break in time needed for these to round out to the fullest but right out of the box they shocked me. At $398 for the pair you can't go wrong. I turned my system on to run just these for a few hours to listen to music while the wife was out and I felt this strange feeling. Pure buyer satisfaction. I run about 60/40 movies/music so I knew I was missing a lot on the music end. I didn't know how much. Enough gushing, I will have to keep the bs21's for side surround and from what I have read, outside of bipole, dipole, that should be fine for my needs. However, just for future reference and knowledge, where do you guys suggest I go from here. I like the epik subs, they are cost effective for me and I have heard the smaller one. I think it was the legend. Cost is an issue but I have patients. Sub, surrounds, replace tweeters and drivers in the bs21, the cabinet is excellent. I have ambition just minimal direction. Keep in mind I am new but input is welcomed and needed.
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The kef's are... a step up. Like a cavalier to a Cadillac

If the Cadillac is a Cimarron then it still is a Cavalier with a larger price tag! smile.gif

But I think I know what you meant.

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Keep in mind I went from bs21. It's a sweet cavalier comparing the two, and I paid $398 for the pair. Anyway, suggestions on subs. Epik has been getting some good thoughts and I know svs and hsu are mainstays but are they worth the extra. Guess I should say my setup is in 26x17 basement, 8' ceiling. Everything is corner placed and due to fireplace and doors that is my only option. My sub is behind everything in that corner. I get the best base sound from the corner diagonal from the sub and I switched the phase to 180 and that did help. Figured I would keep the psw110 connected once I get the other sub, help with dead zones and what not. Price range is around $500, but like I said I am patient. I am not an audiophile but want as good a sound as I can get for a slightly more than modest budget. And what about surrounds? Stick with what I got? I saw some iq3s, used, that would match the iq70s as far as bookshelf. Or forget the whole thing and stop pissing off the wife.
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Hello all. This is my virgin post. I am a total newbie to this so don't rip me to shreds. That being said, I went from Pioneer bs21 and def tech 1000 center 5.1 set up with a ( don't laugh, I'm still building) Polk psw110. Powered by pioneer 1021 k. I just got the kef iq70's that you mentioned from newegg. Ignorance is bliss but knowledge is power. The kef's are... a step up. Like a cavalier to a Cadillac. I know most of you are familiar with hifi and I have been reading AVS for a long time now to get quality suggestions as I build. Sound stage, imaging, accuracy, I had to read about those terms. Now I understand. The kef's are fantastic. I know there is more break in time needed for these to round out to the fullest but right out of the box they shocked me. At $398 for the pair you can't go wrong. I turned my system on to run just these for a few hours to listen to music while the wife was out and I felt this strange feeling. Pure buyer satisfaction. I run about 60/40 movies/music so I knew I was missing a lot on the music end. I didn't know how much. Enough gushing, I will have to keep the bs21's for side surround and from what I have read, outside of bipole, dipole, that should be fine for my needs. However, just for future reference and knowledge, where do you guys suggest I go from here. I like the epik subs, they are cost effective for me and I have heard the smaller one. I think it was the legend. Cost is an issue but I have patients. Sub, surrounds, replace tweeters and drivers in the bs21, the cabinet is excellent. I have ambition just minimal direction. Keep in mind I am new but input is welcomed and needed.

Congratulations Earl - when I went to newegg, the deal was off mad.gif

I will need to wait - at this time figuring out if I would go for bookshelves - also waiting if a similar deal comes back, going through the history I could find the same / similar deal was offered 3 times from newegg this year
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What do you mean the deal was off? They're stil $199 each right now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882156011

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For a sub, I would get this outlaw on sale for $599 w/free shipping
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/lfmEX.html

For surrounds, I suggest a pair of these...
http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/item/features/542021944

The IQ70's are good. I have a pair fo xq30's. Sort of the iq70 of the xq line. The iq90's are definately better with more bass, but not worth paying double.
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What do you mean the deal was off? They're stil $199 each right now.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882156011

Hmmmmmmm - that's indeed a very pleasant surprise ... last Sunday when I checked they were sold out; Mon-Wed they were priced at $399 / piece and actually on Thu they were going for $599 / piece and today they came down to last week's price. very interesting.

Anyway, when I realized that the deal (Sun-Thu) had expired I was looking at some nice bookshelves at $400 - $600 range. And I realized that as I am anyway going for decent sub (HSU VTF-2 MK4), for the front speakers I should be concentrating more on the HF & MF sounds, if I get a woofer in the speaker, well and good - but I should not be really looking the woofers for the key criteria. So, for example, if I compare this iQ70s (freq response of 36 Hz - 40 KHz) with let's say iQ30 bookshelves (45 Hz - 40 KHz), am I really losing out a lot? Looking it from a different angle if I go for the Q300 bookshelves (42 Hz - 40 KHz) with a bigger tweeter (1") and bigger Uni-Q driver (6.5"), will that be a better decision? If compared with current deal I need to shell out $300-$400 extra ($250 for the difference in speaker price and the remaining for the stand mounts) ... but are they really worth those bucks? [Also, there is the WAF when going from iQ series to Q series, which needs to be handled separately and delicately eek.gif]

Gurus, maybe I am jumping into conclusions very quickly and going back and forth between bookshelves and towers, but am I thinking correctly or what I am thinking is all nonsense?
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since the iQ30 goes for $399 and the iQ70's are the same price I see no reason to get the 30's. Plus you'd probably need stands for them which is an extra cost.

I have heard the newer q300 speakers so can't say anything about those.

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since the iQ30 goes for $399 and the iQ70's are the same price I see no reason to get the 30's. Plus you'd probably need stands for them which is an extra cost.
I have heard the newer q300 speakers so can't say anything about those.

Fully agree with you on this - if both (iQ70 & iQ30) are avlbl at same price point no point in choosing the bookshelf over the floorstander. My dilemma is with the Q300 now. Is it worth spending the extra?

I will probably create a separate thread asking for the feedback on Q300
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Fully agree with you on this - if both (iQ70 & iQ30) are avlbl at same price point no point in choosing the bookshelf over the floorstander. My dilemma is with the Q300 now. Is it worth spending the extra?
I will probably create a separate thread asking for the feedback on Q300

I have not heard the IQ70 but I did have the IQ30s for a home demo. They were very good but in a AB comparison with the B&W 685s IMO the 685s had the edge because of the tweeter. From what I've read the Q300 would likely be better that the 685. If you match them with a good sub you would have a great system and down the road you can always add floor standers and move the bookshelves to surrounds.

Q500s have 5 1/4" like the IQ70, Q700s have 6 1/2" like the IQ90s. I have the XQ40s which are like the XQ versions of the IQ90 and as Kidhorn noted and they are excellent.

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And I realized that as I am anyway going for decent sub (HSU VTF-2 MK4) . . .

You should grab the Outlaw EX that is mentioned above. It's a step up from the VTF-2.4, same class as the VTF3.4. Worth the extra $100 if you can swing it.
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I will probably create a separate thread asking for the feedback on Q300

Keep in mind that if you go with the Q300s for L/R, then you also need the Q600C matching center, which I think is about $650 (maybe someone knows a better deal). So there is that extra cost to factor in.

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