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I just received my Denon 1712 refurbed from AC4L today. I haven't opened the box but I'm excited to pair it with a decent budget system later. I can wait for the right system at a reasonable price given my low budget. To give an idea of where I'm at in terms of price range, I am looking at the Energy RC-Micro 5 Pack. What else is comparable to this model for $200 +/-?

My 5.1 audio system bedroom setup:
10'1" L x 9'11" D x 8' H. One corner opens up to a space (for the door to open/close) that measures 2'4" L x 2'11" D x 8' H.
AVR: Denon 1712
Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
TV: Samsung UN46EH6070...
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That Energy set desperately needs a sub to sound good. Those tiny speakers have no mid-bass output.

Can you use floorstanding speakers? Get these:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117405
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117403
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117404

Total cost with promo codes is around $250 if you can swing that. If not, get these for the front instead of the floorstanding

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117406

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So I don't need a sub anymore with those Pioneer speakers?

The speakrs themsevles will be setup in a 10 x 10' room. I have limited space so if I go with the floorstands I would need to place the one stand floor on top of a 24' high tabletop/drawer and the other floorstand speaker I would need to place on top of the subwoofer that may be 21-22' high. Can I do that or shoudl I get the bookshelf one?

My 5.1 audio system bedroom setup:
10'1" L x 9'11" D x 8' H. One corner opens up to a space (for the door to open/close) that measures 2'4" L x 2'11" D x 8' H.
AVR: Denon 1712
Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
TV: Samsung UN46EH6070...
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If you've got no room for the tower speakers then get the BS-41 bookshelf speakers instead.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882117406

You'll want a sub eventually if not right away. But these speakers will sound pretty good without. Those Take Classics would be awful w/o a subwoofer.

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Yep. What afrogt said. A 5.0 set of those Pioneers (without floorstanding) will still do much better than the small Energy speakers without a sub. Great to start with. Then get a sub six months or year down the road, once you can afford it (a decent sub to pair with those will run you approximately $200).

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Thanks. Is there a high probability I may need extra warranty other than the 1 year warranty that comes with them becasue I'm not sure how generally reliable and high quality these speakers are?

My 5.1 audio system bedroom setup:
10'1" L x 9'11" D x 8' H. One corner opens up to a space (for the door to open/close) that measures 2'4" L x 2'11" D x 8' H.
AVR: Denon 1712
Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
TV: Samsung UN46EH6070...
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I don't think you need to buy an extended warranty. Speakers generally don't go bad on their own, many years ago older models could get driver rot or the foam around the woofer would go bad, but even that would be well after a 5 year warranty passes. I buy used speakers all the time, got a pair of 20 year old Energy speakers in my office right now. Unless you plan to play your speakers at extremely loud levels the speakers will be fine.

Abuse will most likely be the biggest factor to something going wrong with the Pioneers. Clipping or distortion from an underpowered receiver is one way. I've probably owned 50 speakers over the last 30+ years and only one had to be repaired. It was due to someone cranking up the music at a party and it blew a satellite speaker.

Post your question about reliablily in the Pioneer speaker thread to see if anyone has had any problems.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1278774/pioneers-speaker-genius-hits-low-price-point

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Alright before I pull the trigger, I want to confirm overall the speakers I'm being recommended to pair with the Denon 1712 are:

Front: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR

My 5.1 audio system bedroom setup:
10'1" L x 9'11" D x 8' H. One corner opens up to a space (for the door to open/close) that measures 2'4" L x 2'11" D x 8' H.
AVR: Denon 1712
Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
TV: Samsung UN46EH6070...
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Alright before I pull the trigger, I want to confirm overall the speakers I'm being recommended to pair with the Denon 1712 are:
Front: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR

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i'd like to use banana plugs if I find it too difficult to securely hard wire the speakers into the receiver. the manuals afaict mentions nothing about banana plugs . Would these work?

My 5.1 audio system bedroom setup:
10'1" L x 9'11" D x 8' H. One corner opens up to a space (for the door to open/close) that measures 2'4" L x 2'11" D x 8' H.
AVR: Denon 1712
Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
TV: Samsung UN46EH6070...
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I don't know if those work, but I find it no more effort to connect the speaker wire to the speakers and receiver than connecting the speaker wire to the banana plugs. The advantage of the banana plugs is if you plan on unhooking and hooking things up more than once.

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I have that set and they are ok...They are not the kind that yoe can install the wire through the back, they only work from the side. I don't think this looks as nice if you are planning to shrink tube them, but the sound and security isn't effected.

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I have that set and they are ok...They are not the kind that yoe can install the wire through the back, they only work from the side. I don't think this looks as nice if you are planning to shrink tube them, but the sound and security isn't effected.
can use 20mm heat shrink tubing on 14awg wires if i directly install them onto the back of the speakers?

My 5.1 audio system bedroom setup:
10'1" L x 9'11" D x 8' H. One corner opens up to a space (for the door to open/close) that measures 2'4" L x 2'11" D x 8' H.
AVR: Denon 1712
Fronts: Pioneer SP-BS41-LR
Center: Pioneer SP-C21
Rear: Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
Subwoofer: SVS PC12-NSD
TV: Samsung UN46EH6070...
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