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Is there a bookshelf version of chane ar5x?

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I know how long it takes already...i've owned the a1rx-c since february, I even know that you've partially conceived these babies... I'm speaking from a new buyer's POV...the thing is, not everyone has read your post about the 80-100 hours...they might or might not even notice/read that folded piece of white paper on one side of the box that mentions the need for break in...even if they did, they won't expect a 100 hour break in

as the brand's name get bigger, there will be more casual buyers who will just buy a pair, play it for 20 hours, rant about how terrible it sounds on various forums....even if I were to use them 4 hours a day after work (most ppl don't even spend this much time with their speakers), it will at least take 20 days to have them broken in...it's a looooong time...most reviewers don't have this type of patience unless they have been previously informed....

I do believe you about the low returns, the pricing is sharp, it will cost lots to ship them back anyways...and since this small group of current buyers is mainly through word of mouth from this forum, having seen such stellar reviews about the Chanes and probably having read about the long breakin, this early group will take that leap of faith and be more patient

I guess if the cost will increase that much to have them pre-broken, then there needs to be a big warning inside the box about the 100 hour break in.....yes, this is what I'm getting at
I understand what you're saying and I actually agree. I'll get with Jon and see if there aren't some additions that can be made.

It's slightly ironic to me that you and I are having this dialog, as there are MANY non-owners who adamantly insist that anything other than a cursory (read: 2 to 4 hour) break-in is a SURE SIGN of snake oil. Having been repeatedly attacked in a very public manner for sharing what you just did above, I'm enjoying hearing the confirmation from a fellow owner. Seriously.

Maybe Jon can chime in here with some direction.

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After this discussion I may delay my final comparison until around the 100 hour mark. I have around 50 hours on them, so I'll continue to use them for a bit longer.

Maybe Audyssey changing them so much (for the better) was a sign that they weren't quite ready yet?
As a counter point to many non-owners who state that an 80 to 100 hour break in isn't necessary with Arx, you'll likely find yourself with a different set of Audyssey corrections after break in.

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I'd like to get a sense of the system and room before isolating any one component in it. Drop us an email and I can probably help.

Break-in is real and naturally it varies. Drivers with medium to low compliance have always taken longer to condition, especially over extra long excursions, which is a not uncommon understanding among users groups. Over in much different types of transducers, users expect that they'll have to condition the diaphragm material itself with quite a bit of use. Humidity audibly affects light, raw paper cones, and temperature can affect suspensions. Meanwhile, homogeneous materials like plastic and metal don't exhibit the behaviors complex paper slurries and coatings will. And so on and so on. It all factors in some complex way.

(I like the idea of pre-conditioning drivers. Unfortunately, in the case of the Chane models, it would have consumed about a million hours to-date, so it would have added up. )

But I'm not sure break-in is the key. I'd like to learn more about the system and environment first.

We've also been distributing a lengthy, free user guide throughout this product series, and it covers this and more. And naturally we're available to consult.

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80 hours of break in doesn't strike me as excessively long, even compared to many other speakers out there. Reviewers seem to often run a set of speakers in 24/7 for several days before serious auditioning. I know that Martin Logan recommends in their manuals (for electrostatic and dynamic cones) that you allow 70 hours of break in time.

Edit: OTOH it does seem to me that the vast majority of the job (90% +) should be done in 10-20 hours or so. But that may vary depending on the physical properties of the drivers as Jon alluded to.
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Is there a bookshelf version of chane ar5x?
Bookshelves version are the A1rx-c. The all use the same woofer and ribbon tweeters. The A5 has 4 woofers, the A3 has 2 woofers, and the A1 have one woofer.
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Bookshelves version are the A1rx-c. The all use the same woofer and ribbon tweeters. The A5 has 4 woofers, the A3 has 2 woofers, and the A1 have one woofer.
What he may have been getting at, is a 3-way "bookshelf", using the same drivers as the A5 including its unique midrange. It would be a nice speaker, though I'd call it a standmount and how big of a difference in sound you'd get over the A1 and whether it's worth making another product only Jon could answer.
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What he may have been getting at, is a 3-way "bookshelf", using the same drivers as the A5 including its unique midrange. It would be a nice speaker, though I'd call it a standmount and how big of a difference in sound you'd get over the A1 and whether it's worth making another product only Jon could answer.
That's probably not going to happen.
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I bought an A2rx-c (from the Massdrop deal) to start with as a center, to see how I like it before deciding whether to get A3's or A5's as main speakers. I initially took it out of the box and swapped it for one of my current main speakers (vintage Advent's) to compare, but that probably wasn't fair due to Audyssey being applied. I also swapped it for my current center (low end Polk). In both cases (basically right out of the box and not calibrated) I would say the sound was muddy or boxy, not very clear. I have read about the lengthy break in period, so I set up the single speaker with my older HK receiver in a spare bedroom and have been letting it play radio music for roughly 30 hours so far.

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at around 25 hours...these are becoming clear...boxiness is no longer obvious...but still not as open as my a1rx-c...
I'm getting more output now...used to have to turn the volume up to around 50 on pure direct mode...now I'm getting the same volume at 43
i haven't calibrated my AVR after I did the factory reset..will probably do it when it's fully broken in...
I would say this sums up my experience exactly as well. I'm not directly listening to the speaker all of the time, but when I do it is definitely getting better. More clarity now, and more volume for a given level on the receiver. I'm going to give it at least 50 hours before moving it back to the main listening area.
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Holy crap. I just played this on my A3's at around -10db, and they produced an amazing amount of bass (and excursion!). These Splitgap woofers are no joke! The drivers in my past towers barely moved. I have Audyssey and Dynamic EQ enabled. They are definitely getting louder with break-in. I'll dub this the unofficial "Splitgap driver break-in song".


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at around 45 hours, the speakers are staring to sound clean and smooth on the ears....the volume dial is at around 40...
also the ECO mode on my AVR is really useful, i turned off the ECO for an hour, the AVR starts to heat up...
when I have the ECO mode on, it's only slightly warm after a few hours of use...so the ECO is doing something right..

these are beautiful on classical music/opera, everything sounds so pristine and clear.....pop music is a waste on these..
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For break-in, I'm using soundtracks from:

Crysis 2
Transformers (1, 2, 3)
Uncharted (1, 2, 3)

Also Rammstein, Tool, Chevelle, Powerglove, various other rock bands, and some video games (Mass Effect 3). I'm at close to 80 hours now.
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For break-in, I'm using soundtracks from:

Crysis 2
Transformers (1, 2, 3)
Uncharted (1, 2, 3)

Also Rammstein, Tool, Chevelle, Powerglove, various other rock bands, and some video games (Mass Effect 3). I'm at close to 80 hours now.
are they sounding good now?
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are they sounding good now?
With Audyssey, yes. Very good.
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What does Audyssey show it did to the response? You should be able to view the corrections it made within your AVR's menu

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It's funny, I didn't think to look until you mentioned it. It looks like it did exactly what I thought - the sound was far too recessed. It brought them to life. This was done at about 40-50 hours. After today I'll be approaching the 90 hour mark so I'll be doing another Audyssey run and a final comparison to my other speakers soon.

Also I tried Audyssey Flat but it sounded too hot for my ears.
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Goodness! That's a lot of boost from around 400-600hz. My room and overall Audyssey EQ looks about the same. My top end above 4kHz was boost 4.5+dB from there up. It's weird because it sounds fantastic with Audyssey engaged, but when it's off.....they sound HORRIBLE. I mean like you're listening to something without tweeters. I actually pull them and checked haha. It does it with every EMP/RBH speaker I have though. I've asked EMP to possible make a crossover where the others drivers are padded down a little (instead of having to boost the tweeter and upper end of the midrange so much).

I need to play around with phasing/polarity at some point. It's possible that they could be out of phase, but I've always heard that when you're getting near the midrange-upper midrange-tweeter area..it's more level/SPL dependent than phase dependent. Maybe Jon can chime in with a little wisdom

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I actually thought at first that they were out of phase. I checked and double checked, even intentionally reversing the wires, which definitely put them out of phase (you'll hear a lack of bass and a weird effect on your ears).

My EMP E5Ti need less correction, sounding much more open by default. I'll post those graphs when I get them hooked back up.
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I wish I had an RTA so I could see what the response, in-room, looks like without MultEQ XT on my e55ti's and the entire 5.2. It's a pretty large, open room with high ceilings, open to the formal dining, kitchen, other dining area, etc...but it's not really that well dampened. I'd think I'd get a lot of high freq. peakiness instead of the attenuation I see. One day I'll just suck it up and buy an RTA setup. Once I get all my car audio stuff going again then maybe.

Glad you're liking the Chane stuff. Always nice to like what you buy and not have remorse. Sounds like the Chane and RBH stuff are solid for the money
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I wish I had an RTA so I could see what the response, in-room, looks like without MultEQ XT on my e55ti's and the entire 5.2. It's a pretty large, open room with high ceilings, open to the formal dining, kitchen, other dining area, etc...but it's not really that well dampened. I'd think I'd get a lot of high freq. peakiness instead of the attenuation I see. One day I'll just suck it up and buy an RTA setup. Once I get all my car audio stuff going again then maybe.

Glad you're liking the Chane stuff. Always nice to like what you buy and not have remorse. Sounds like the Chane and RBH stuff are solid for the money
I think the EMPs and the Chane lines might possibly offer the most quality and bang for the buck available right now.
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And yet they sound so different. It's hard to say which is better - I'll end up listing what I think each one is better for, because they each have different strengths.
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You got the A3's right? Maybe the A5's would be up your alley?

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Why do you say that? Being a small room kind of setup, I didn't feel the A5 was going to be necessary or worth the premium over the A3.
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And yet they sound so different. It's hard to say which is better - I'll end up listing what I think each one is better for, because they each have different strengths.
Having 4 - R5Ti speakers, and 1 pair A1rx-c, I can readily proclaim the A1rx-c surpasses the R5Ti in SQ...Loudness is another thing, the R5Ti being bigger with more drivers will play louder, but not cleaner. I am impressed with EMP for low to mid listening levels, but beyond that, I'm not that impressed. But, to each their own!
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Having 4 - R5Ti speakers, and 1 pair A1rx-c, I can readily proclaim the A1rx-c surpasses the R5Ti in SQ...Loudness is another thing, the R5Ti being bigger with more drivers will play louder, but not cleaner. I am impressed with EMP for low to mid listening levels, but beyond that, I'm not that impressed. But, to each their own!
I don't disagree - the Chanes have lower distortion and more refinement. The tweeter is especially killer.

But EMP does a lot of things right.
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Indeed! They are excellent speakers, no doubt. But the Chane is so much more...evolved for lack of a better word at the moment.

I don't know. All I do know is that when the opportunity presented itself a few weeks ago, to get a set of bookshelves for my MBR system I was upgrading, I had a chance to get the EMP but honestly, they weren't even on my long list. The selling point (for me) for the Chanes (and should be for anyone wanting the best sound for under a grand) was the planer tweets. They are incredible and non fatiguing, and the best sounding tweet technology available as far as I am concerned. They replicate the likes of electrostatic speakers with an uncanny similar sound.

As for the SplitGap woofer, that was a major bonus that I was unaware of. These woofers/cabinet combo do put out some real bass! I don't mean a 1 tone wonder either...I mean these go deep AND stay clean while digging to the bottom. Of course, YMMV.

The R5Ti just can't compete on the same level with the A1rx-c, IMHO.
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Are you running them with or without room correction?
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Both, with Audyssey... I despise "Direct" as it is rather dull & lifeless to me...Like when we were kids and the stereos all had bass/treble and (some) midrange controls. Leaving all the adjustments at center, or 'flat' made the sound just that, flat.
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at 50 hours, it's still not as clear as the a1rx-c...it's still as someone said, "recessed"..
with audyssey, the A5rx-c does sound alot clearer .....
maybe the a1rx-c is heavily driven by the planar tweeter, but I hope the drivers are going to not stay this way forever...probably still need another 100 hours of break in.. I'm.hoping it's not some sort of manufacturing defect...because from the reviews of the A5s..it should sound much better than this in pure direct...but at this point, classical music having alot of treble sounds great on them..but the mids and bass still has room for improvement in terms of clarity..but the output is fine....

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Having 4 - R5Ti speakers, and 1 pair A1rx-c, I can readily proclaim the A1rx-c surpasses the R5Ti in SQ...Loudness is another thing, the R5Ti being bigger with more drivers will play louder, but not cleaner. I am impressed with EMP for low to mid listening levels, but beyond that, I'm not that impressed. But, to each their own!
Shows you how different people/set of ears, different rooms, etc can play a huge role! There have been quite a few reviews with owners of the larger EMP tower (obviously newer, likely different x-over, added midrange and a sealed midrange/tweeter, added 6.5", etc) said they enjoyed it just as much as the likes of the Studio 100 and various others speakers. Not trying to so you're wrong, just amazing how much variation there is in this hobby. Makes it fun and frustrating at the same time!

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Indeed! They are excellent speakers, no doubt. But the Chane is so much more...evolved for lack of a better word at the moment.

I don't know. All I do know is that when the opportunity presented itself a few weeks ago, to get a set of bookshelves for my MBR system I was upgrading, I had a chance to get the EMP but honestly, they weren't even on my long list. The selling point (for me) for the Chanes (and should be for anyone wanting the best sound for under a grand) was the planer tweets. They are incredible and non fatiguing, and the best sounding tweet technology available as far as I am concerned. They replicate the likes of electrostatic speakers with an uncanny similar sound.

As for the SplitGap woofer, that was a major bonus that I was unaware of. These woofers/cabinet combo do put out some real bass! I don't mean a 1 tone wonder either...I mean these go deep AND stay clean while digging to the bottom. Of course, YMMV.

The R5Ti just can't compete on the same level with the A1rx-c, IMHO.
The EMP is a good bit cheaper, especially when on sale. If you buy during the Black Friday sales, it's about half the price! I want to say that EMP/RBH has moved to a different midrange and tweeter since the r5ti too. I remember their customer service saying it was similar looking, but slightly different. It's really astonishing what both of these companies can do for the money honestly.
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