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I'm looking for on-wall or sealed speakers for the L/C/R. They will be placed around a 65" wall-mounted display in a 4,000 cubic foot room. I'm not looking for super thin models necessarily (but am not opposed to them)... rather, my focus is on best sound for my budget. I prefer a 3-way design and a center channel (or one that allows for 90 degree rotation of the tweeter). Ideally, the speakers would not weigh more than 30 lbs apiece. I'm familiar with the Paradigm line and would love to use the Paradigm CC-690, but it's rear ported and way too big... and would like something better than the Millenia line. I have the CC-490, but was hoping to step up a bit. The is a Living Room by name, but is half way between a HT and a Living Room. This system will be used almost 100% for movies and television... a high quality center channel mounted above the display is #1 on my list. Any suggestions would be much appreciated! Thanks.
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In-wall, sealed:
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwg6lcr.html



A little over budget @ $2,150 ea MSRP, but definitely WORTH it.

If you want on-walls, these are a good option:
http://atlantictechnology.com/default.asp?NodeId=56



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In-wall, sealed:
http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwg6lcr.html

A little over budget @ $2,150 ea MSRP, but definitely WORTH it.
If you want on-walls, these are a good option:
http://atlantictechnology.com/default.asp?NodeId=56

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Thanks Craig John! The speakers are for a new construction and the studded walls (no drywall yet) are 2X4... so, I'm not sure how to make the Triads work. They are intriguing though as there are so many great reviews I've read on this site. Also, as I was looking at the Atlantic Techonogy speakers you noted, I ran across some AT in-walls that work with 2X4 and I like the fact they the tweeter can be rotated and they can be tilted towards the listening position... do you have any opinion on these? http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Technology-IWTS-30LCR-S-In-Wall-Speaker/dp/B0020MLKH8/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_41 I was leaning against in-wall because they could not be directed toward the listening position, but these seem to deal with my issues.
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Thanks Craig John! The speakers are for a new construction and the studded walls (no drywall yet) are 2X4... so, I'm not sure how to make the Triads work. They are intriguing though as there are so many great reviews I've read on this site. Also, as I was looking at the Atlantic Techonogy speakers you noted, I ran across some AT in-walls that work with 2X4 and I like the fact they the tweeter can be rotated and they can be tilted towards the listening position... do you have any opinion on these? http://www.amazon.com/Atlantic-Technology-IWTS-30LCR-S-In-Wall-Speaker/dp/B0020MLKH8/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_41 I was leaning against in-wall because they could not be directed toward the listening position, but these seem to deal with my issues.

Scout's Staff used those Atlantic Technology speakers in his room and really liked them:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1384427/scouts-staff-ht-work-in-progress

He is a great guy and I am sure if you PM him, he would give you his thoughts on them. If you go with those, I would see if Atlantic Technology offers a backer box for them, or you could go with some of these in-wall enclosures:
http://www.dynamatstore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=19

I would contact Atlantic to determine what size volume the speaker would be.
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Scout's Staff used those Atlantic Technology speakers in his room and really liked them:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1384427/scouts-staff-ht-work-in-progress
He is a great guy and I am sure if you PM him, he would give you his thoughts on them. If you go with those, I would see if Atlantic Technology offers a backer box for them, or you could go with some of these in-wall enclosures:
http://www.dynamatstore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=19
I would contact Atlantic to determine what size volume the speaker would be.

Thanks Ack. I sent a PM to Scout as you suggested. I also see that Amazon sells the backbox, so I would probably go in that direction if I go with the AT IWTS-30's.
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Thanks Ack. I sent a PM to Scout as you suggested. I also see that Amazon sells the backbox, so I would probably go in that direction if I go with the AT IWTS-30's.

Your welcome. BTW:
http://www.soundadvice.com/Free-Shipping-Atlantic-Technology-IWTS-30-LCR-THX-Ultra-2-Performance-In-Wall-Speaker-B-Stock-Priced-Each-P3412.aspx

Authorized reseller, and a nice savings smile.gif

http://www.atlantictechnology.com/default.asp?IsDev=False&NodeId=31

BTW, this is the backer box specifically made for the IWTS 30:
http://shop.atlantictechnology.com/products/productdetail/IN+BOX+30+LCR+Optional+Back+Box+for+IWTS+30LCR+-+FREE+SHIPPING/part_number=IN%20BOX%2030%20LCR/9776.0.1.1.1014948.104376.0.0.0

IMHO, this is worth the money for a new construction install. The backer box makes a big difference:
http://www.cepro.com/article/how_to_prevent_audio_loss_with_in_wall_speaker_systems/
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If you go with those, I would see if Atlantic Technology offers a backer box for them, or you could go with some of these in-wall enclosures:
http://www.dynamatstore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=19
I would contact Atlantic to determine what size volume the speaker would be.
Atlantic Tech does offer a backer box for those in-walls. In fact, they are *required* in order for the speakers to achieve their THX Ultra2 certification. The Model # is In-Box 30 LCR. See the "Specifications" tab on the AT website:
http://www.atlantictechnology.com/default.asp?NodeId=134

The boxes need to be well sealed and be a specific volume. I would not suggest any other back boxes with the AT in-walls, unless you contact AT and ask them if they are acceptable.

I helped a friend install these Atlantic Tech In-walls in his family room/home theater. We couldn't use the new-construction backer box so we built our own. We were given the box spec's direct from AT. The system turned out excellent. Here are some pics:











We dampened the inside of the boxes with No-Rez:



and then sealed the cable inlet with caulk:



The final result was a well-sealed box with an internal volume of 1.25 cubic feet. The speakers sound great and they are flat to 80 Hz, right at their THX Ultra2 specification.

While I really liked the Atlantic Tech in-walls, the Triad in-walls are a big step up from them, If the budget permits, I suggest them over the Atlantic Tech speakers. The AT speakers are great, and I have no doubt you would be happy with them. Still the Triad speakers are something special. IMO.

BTW, all these speakers are "LCR" designs and they *need* subwoofers and 60 to 80 Hz crossovers. This is inherent in the LCR design.

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BTW, this forum sells the AT speakers, as well as the Triad speakers. They are authorized dealers for both, they offer a nice discount as well as an in-home trial period, (although I doubt anyone would install in-wall speakers and then un-install them.) Contact Mike Garrett: http://www.avsforum.com/u/8367889/av-science-sales-5 He can hook you up.

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BTW, this forum sells the AT speakers, as well as the Triad speakers. They are authorized dealers for both, they offer a nice discount as well as an in-home trial period, (although I doubt anyone would install in-wall speakers and then un-install them.) Contact Mike Garrett: http://www.avsforum.com/u/8367889/av-science-sales-5 He can hook you up.

I'm torn. I hadn't heard of the AT THX in-walls until today (and I've been reading through the AT thread for the last hour). I have Paradigm in-walls... the SA-LCR for my dedicated HT room that will be placed behind an acoustically transparent screen. My concern with the Triads is that I plan to mount the center speaker horizontally above my plasma screen and, as far as I can tell from the Triad website, I don't see that the tweeter can be rotated or that it can be aimed at the listening position (unlike the less expensive AT IWTS-30's). Won't this affect the sound dispersion negatively? Perhaps I'm placing to much emphasis on this. I've only listened to quality in-walls behind an acoustically transparent screen (all vertical)... and, since the drywall is going up in 3 weeks, I'm trying to process a lot in a short period of time. smile.gif
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I'm torn. I hadn't heard of the AT THX in-walls until today (and I've been reading through the AT thread for the last hour). I have Paradigm in-walls... the SA-LCR for my dedicated HT room that will be placed behind an acoustically transparent screen. My concern with the Triads is that I plan to mount the center speaker horizontally above my plasma screen and, as far as I can tell from the Triad website, I don't see that the tweeter can be rotated or that it can be aimed at the listening position (unlike the less expensive AT IWTS-30's). Won't this affect the sound dispersion negatively? Perhaps I'm placing to much emphasis on this. I've only listened to quality in-walls behind an acoustically transparent screen (all vertical)... and, since the drywall is going up in 3 weeks, I'm trying to process a lot in a short period of time. smile.gif

How high will the speaker be above ear level?

If it is too high, then yes, it could affect the sound. Talk to Triad, there may be a way to angle the speaker slightly in the wall.
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How high will the speaker be above ear level?
If it is too high, then yes, it could affect the sound. Talk to Triad, there may be a way to angle the speaker slightly in the wall.

I'm not exactly sure, but I want to place them high enough to account for a larger future display (the top of my display sits at 62" now)... I'm thinking about placing them around 72" at bottom, which would make the tweeter about 32" above ear height, give or take an inch.
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Scout's Staff used those Atlantic Technology speakers in his room and really liked them:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1384427/scouts-staff-ht-work-in-progress
He is a great guy and I am sure if you PM him, he would give you his thoughts on them. If you go with those, I would see if Atlantic Technology offers a backer box for them, or you could go with some of these in-wall enclosures:
http://www.dynamatstore.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=19
I would contact Atlantic to determine what size volume the speaker would be.

Thanks Ack_bk - appreciate the kind words and hope all is well. Still loving the Def Techs?

Hi Anhydro, Thanks for the PM

Happy to help out anyway I can. I can tell you that I have been very happy with my AT IWTS-30s and they are designed for large rooms. When listening to just the mains (L&R) in stereo/direct sound they sound very clear. I wanted to use one as a center speaker as well, but realized I would have issues later on since I plan on adding a PJ to my room, but I do not want to use an acoustic transparent screen given my ambient light issues (not a dedicated room). Unfortunately I did not add the back-boxes because I was installing them in existing walls (upgrading from on-wall to in-wall).

The AT 30s are very versatile with the ability to spin and angle the tweeter and mid (one piece sealed unit) to your desired listening position. I was not too concerned about the back-box since it is really for the bass (tweeter & mid are already sealed) and I am using two subwoofers anyway and usually listen in some type of surround mode employing the subs.

The only drawback if you decide to mount the center speaker sideways, you will need to frame out the back-box horizontally – it’s big…… In addition since my mains are up rather high (out of eye shot of wife and the electrician did not listen) but toed in and pointed toward the LP, I also installed them upside down to drop the tweeter a foot closer to the ground.

Hope this helps and sorry I missed your post – I’ve been working a ton of hours lately
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How high will the speaker be above ear level?
If it is too high, then yes, it could affect the sound. Talk to Triad, there may be a way to angle the speaker slightly in the wall.
Actually, Triad would likely make an in-wall Gold LCR CC with the tweeter mid rotated 90 degrees. They do a lot of custom work, and I wouldn't be surprised if they have already done this for someone else. They have an in-room CC version of the Gold LCR with this configuration:



It should be fairly simple for them to make an in-wall version of this speaker.

Nonetheless Anhydro, if you really want the aim-ability of the Atlantic Tech in-walls, go for it. I am certain you won't be disappointed in those speakers. I enjoyed every minute of my ownership experience with my AT 8200e's, which are very similar. My friend also loves his AT in-walls. You can't go wrong there.

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Craig,

My goal some day is to sneak in a pair of 8200s as my new mains and switch the AT IW-30s to heights biggrin.gif Probably a few years away considering the PJ priority
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My goal some day is to sneak in a pair of 8200s as my new mains and switch the AT IW-30s to heights biggrin.gif Probably a few years away considering the PJ priority
That would be sweet. I am using Wides, and they add a very nice envelopment. I may try Heights too someday.

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BG Radia is another option to check out for in-walls............................outstanding product.

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You may also try to find WISDOM AUDIO. Long been a mega dollar in wall requiring active cross overs and bi/tri amping.

Now they have an INSIGHT line starting at $1250 and topping out at $5000 each

I listened to the i2 ($1250), i4 ($1850) and the i8($5000 - ouch) at CEDIA and they were outstanding.

Another great in wall is James Loudspeakers. I did not get a chance to listen but my friends were quite impresses. I wish they would have heard the Wisdom to compare.

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