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post #1 of 66 Old 09-17-2012, 09:18 PM - Thread Starter
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Haven't been around here in a while because I've been to busy compiling a nice setup tongue.gif

WARNING: Horror story involved. Not for the feint of heart.

SETUP:


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B & W 800 Diamond Fronts
B & W HTM 4 center channel
B & W CM1s for surrounds
Martin Logan Descent subwoofer

Processor/amps

Emotiva XPA 2
Emotiva XPA 5
Pio Elite SC-55 for processing

Playback

PS3
Xbox 360
Emotiva ER2 CD player

TV

Sony HX929 46''

Acoustic foam/pads placed as well for reflection purposes

Monster HTS 1650 surge for protection
Regular old jacketed and banana plugged speaker wire
$5 HDMI cables from Amazon


So I drove to Chicago from NY to pick this whole setup up. (Just the speakers). I moved everything into my apartment with perfection and precision. I unbox the speakers to find A CRACKED/SHATTERED TWEETER on one of the 800s. I am so upset at this point - good thing B & W is overnighting me one tomorrow so I can use this system.

I had a previous B & W setup placed in here and I can't stretch the importance of acoustic paneling. After spending hours fiddling with the sound and listening for reflections, I was able to apply the panels and it made such a difference. No "echo" or reverb, just straight music.

Unfortunately though, can't use these ATM until the new tweeter assembly comes in.

Will give my thorough review/thoughts later this week after I get some good listening time in. Stay tuned for then!!!
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Interested to hear how it sounds setup like that. I would have thought those large towers need much more room and be spread further apart to sound their best.
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Lots of great equipment squeezed into such a small room. Hope your planning on moving to a bigger place. I'd also get a rack for your electronics to give them some air (or were you just stacking them for the picture?)smile.gif
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With such a small room I would expect the sound to be overly compressed. Those 800's like a lot of room to move sound. Since you like emotiva, I would also recommend moving to the XPA-1 mono-blocks for the 800's. They will really open up... well as much as they could in such a tight room.
Also bypass the surger protector with your amp's. Plug them directly in the wall. The monster will limit the current going to them.

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With such a small room I would expect the sound to be overly compressed. Those 800's like a lot of room to move sound. Since you like emotiva, I would also recommend moving to the XPA-1 mono-blocks for the 800's. They will really open up... well as much as they could in such a tight room.
Also bypass the surger protector with your amp's. Plug them directly in the wall. The monster will limit the current going to them.

I agree, with all of it. Plug those amps directly into the wall and begin researching room acoustics and treatments; a room that small is going to need some major treatments with that setup in my opinion. I understand that you say you experimented with treatments and they made a difference, but don't bet your bottom dollar that you're finished; I'd bet room measurements would show you're not done yet. smile.gif Let us know if we can assist in any way.

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Bottom line these speakers are way to big for the room. No amount of room tweaking is going to get these speakers at 100%. Those 800's need to be around 8ft apart and at least 2ft. off the sidewalls. Also there is no picture of the rears. But my guess they are very close. He would have been better served w/805 or 804D's. Top of the line doesn't always make the best choice.smile.gif
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Thanks for the constructive feedback, but I heard these bad boys hooked up in a room slightly larger than mine and they sounded wonderful. I'm not worried. Plus, I'm only sending probably a few watts to them in this size room so why upgrade to mono blocks? With the same amount of distortion (<.01%) there is no audible difference between amplifiers. 300/channel is MORE than enough headroom.

Okay so, how would you all go a step further "treating" the room? Add more panels to the sidewalls? The back of the room?
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Bottom line these speakers are way to big for the room. No amount of room tweaking is going to get these speakers at 100%. Those 800's need to be around 8ft apart and at least 2ft. off the sidewalls. Also there is no picture of the rears. But my guess they are very close. He would have been better served w/805 or 804D's. Top of the line doesn't always make the best choice.smile.gif

The rears are about 4 or so feet apart. They are further apart than the fronts.
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Congrats on the new gear, it's always nice to see B&W setups.

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Thanks for the constructive feedback, but I heard these bad boys hooked up in a room slightly larger than mine and they sounded wonderful. I'm not worried. Plus, I'm only sending probably a few watts to them in this size room so why upgrade to mono blocks? With the same amount of distortion (<.01%) there is no audible difference between amplifiers. 300/channel is MORE than enough headroom.
Okay so, how would you all go a step further "treating" the room? Add more panels to the sidewalls? The back of the room?

Wait. The question is, how do they sound to YOU? Not everyone else on the forum.

If they sound great to you, then you don't need to spend a dime on any room treatments.

Don't blindly add room treatments just because people say so. biggrin.gif

Congrats on your beautiful speakers!

Again, what's important is how they sound to YOU!
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I bet those sound great!
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Wait. The question is, how do they sound to YOU? Not everyone else on the forum.
If they sound great to you, then you don't need to spend a dime on any room treatments.
Don't blindly add room treatments just because people say so. biggrin.gif
Congrats on your beautiful speakers!
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I had some long conversations with auralex acoustics about the room. At first we thought diffusion, but after realizing the room better, we settled on a decent amount of absorption and some bass traps. Also toed the 800s a little more outward for sound stage purposes.
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My 805Ns sound great nearfield. So delicate and smooth.
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My 805Ns sound great nearfield. So delicate and smooth.

Im not worried these won't sound good, I just wanna get them running!!
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dude you're breaking all the rules with that setup, lol...luv it!
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Just played one channel music lol. INCREDIBLE. sounds amazing after further treatment.
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God help that room.
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Nice gear. Enjoy.cool.gif

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That's a lot of speaker for such a small room. wink.gif They look gorgeous and I'm sure they sound gorgeous also. Hopefully you can put them in a bigger space some day.

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TVMAN- as far as room treatments go, you should never just blindly apply absorbion panals without first measuring your room's acoustical properties. Why? Because you have no idea whenever the problem areas are as all rooms are different and there is no "one size fits all" solution. I have to say that anyone who suggest you treat your room without first measuring is not someone you should be taking advise from.

You need to measure with something such as the Dayton Omni Mic system or the XTZ room analyzer, or you can purchase a callibrated Behringer ECM-8000 with a Behringer Xenyx 502 mic pre-amp, then after you measure you can go back and surgically treat the problem areas.
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Im gonna order the Dayton. Looks easiest lol. Can you explain what id be doing to test the room with this software?
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Wait. The question is, how do they sound to YOU? Not everyone else on the forum.
If they sound great to you, then you don't need to spend a dime on any room treatments.
Don't blindly add room treatments just because people say so. biggrin.gif
Congrats on your beautiful speakers!
Again, what's important is how they sound to YOU!

Could not agree anymore with this statement. It's all a matter of you and how they sound to you. If you are thrilled and love the way they sound - then you've accomplished what you set out to do. If you feel you could still do a little more, then go ahead and play. I cannot tell you how many times I've disconnected, re-positioned, tweaked my sound setup - for the past couple years! I'm always looking for new ways to improve upon. This is a hobby where you rarely unbox, setup ONCE and be done for good. Part of the fun is tweaking and trying to darn hardest to get the most optimal quality out of it. Have fun and beautiful speakers! wink.gif

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I'm not trying to be ignorant. I'm sick of getting the upgrade it is every month, so I bought the top of my dream list. I'm trying to make them work in the room I know its not ideal. But I'll have them when I move. So if a room correction software will help ill buy it. I just need help on how to use it please!
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Yup, especially when you have a doctorate degree, have a great job, make a lot of money, and have $100,000+ of toys to play. biggrin.gif
You can afford to be ignorant all you want. biggrin.gif

And that has what to do with the topic at hand? I see someone needs attention again... None of the things you mentioned, which could be fabricated for all we know, prove that you know what you're talking about when it comes to audio. You understand that, right?
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I'm not trying to be ignorant.

I wasn't talking about you sir, just so you know.

Enjoy your dream system, and when you move things will get even better. Good stuff!

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Edit: Pulled the trigger on the Dayton after reading that it's not hard to use. Hopefully this will help. Thanks!
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One thing you forgot to mention is the demensions of the room. We have a picture of one end does it widen on the opposite side?? A Schematic would help. Also did you finally install the new tweeter?smile.gif
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Its 10 by 14. And no, the tweeter arrives tomorrow.
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Anyone wanna help me with the Dayton Omni Mic V2 I ordered? Like what is the most important thing? Reading the room reflections? Any tips on how to "know" what I'm looking at/trying to fix? Thanks!cool.gif
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Anyone wanna help me with the Dayton Omni Mic V2 I ordered? Like what is the most important thing? Reading the room reflections? Any tips on how to "know" what I'm looking at/trying to fix? Thanks!cool.gif


I will PM you some info on this in just a little bit.
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