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If I move my old speakers out of the bedroom I'd like to put in some super small speakers. Not the Bose. I listened to B&W M-1s last weekend. What else?
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How bout a budget first?

And how many speakers?

Do you have a sub?

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The Minx system is getting rave reviews from a few of our "small speaker" lovers on AVS...see the thread about that (Cambridge Audio Minx thread)...but it isn't the cheapest system .

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Yup, a budget and room size would certainly be helpful.

NHT Absolute Zero is a nice speaker, as is the Paradigm MilleniaOne. A less well know option might be the Source Loudspeaker 1.4CF.

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Well, I am bad about setting a budget. So I would say under $1000 but my husband would like it to be half. And if there are awesome speakers for like $1250 then of course I will want those. We just got a new receiver for that room, a Denon 1613 is what I think it is. I'm actually not that impressed but wondering if I need to restrip my wires or running it through the Blu-ray or however DH set it up is causing it to lose power?

Anyway, as for the room size, I would guess 12 by 12 but can get a more accruate measurement if needed. It is a typical "master suite" with no good place to put speakers because the wall across from the bed has a huge doorway right in the middle. TV is off to the left side and my desk (ofice area) is on the right side of the double doors. So I have no floor space but wall space for speakers.
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Again, if you need to have small:
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_779S215B/Cambridge-Audio-Minx-S215-Black.html?search=minx_s215&skipvs=T
The previously mentioned NHT will blow these away...but these will be small and stealth!

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Do the NHT Super Zeros also blow out the Audio Minx speakers?
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The BMR drivers in the Minx system are very good...but even the published spects suggest a gap between how high the sub can get and how low the sats can get. The smaller driver in the NHT superzeros won't likely go as low as the bigger drivers in the absolutes...

I have only heard the Minx system once and not for very long...but it plays well and gets pretty loud. What I noticed is the tweeter-less BMR drivers don't reproduce highs as well as a decent full ranged speaker.

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Do the NHT Super Zeros also blow out the Audio Minx speakers?

I can't say for certain because I own the Absolutes, not the Zero's, but for sure the NHT speakers will be different. "blow out" is totally subject though, so that's going to be difficult to quantify.

The CA speakers are unique, and the sound they produce is very clean and crisp with tremendous detail. The nuances they're capable of are really quite remarkable. My only knock on them is due primarily to physics; the drivers are just too small to produce much depth in the midrange. That's why you have to cross over the subwoofer so high, in order to pick up where the Min satellites leave off. If you get the balance right they really are tremendous speakers. I just wish they came in a larger size. If they did I would have bought them in a heartbeat.

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The Focal Sib, can be wall-mounted
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-4905-focal-sib-compact-speaker-pr.aspx

The Focal Dome, can be wall mounted.
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-4508-focal-dome-20-mini-speakers-pr.aspx

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I currently have the absolute zeros in my family room and continue to be surprised how good they are with a couple of subs. On the other hand, the Behringers I posted sound incredible for the money. I had them but sadly gave them away in a week moment. They measure extremely well too and can be had active or passive.

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Check out the PSB Imagine Mini. Huge sound from a rather small speaker.smile.gif
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Jim, they are without a doubt the best sounding speaker I have ever heard that had less than 3 inch drivers. If they would/could make a bigger BMR driver, I think they would really have a terrific speaker. Still, for a 2.5 inch driver or whatever, they can get pretty loud!

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Check out Equator Audio D5

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Hi,

Check out the Elac 301.2 Speakers - they are supposed to be very special despite their small size..

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The 301.2 certainly looks intriguing, but I'm not sure there's any place to get those in the US. Aren't ELAC pretty expensive though?

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I have the Paradigm Millenia One 5 speaker system and they sure rock.

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I think this comparison chart will help anyone looking for the best small speakers for them:

http://www.geektoogeek.com/best-small-speakers-find-the-best-portable-speakers-for-your-needs/

Good luck!
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If I move my old speakers out of the bedroom I'd like to put in some super small speakers. Not the Bose. I listened to B&W M-1s last weekend. What else?

Gallo Strada, version 1 can be had new for a little over $1000pr on closeout. They can be wall mounted or equipped with table stands and are unparalleled for this price and size in my opinion.
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The best small speakers I've heard are the KEF KHT3005SE eggs. They may be available cheap, as KEF has a newer model out. (Can't vouch for that one, though of late KEF's been on a roll.) One negative about the new ones is that they're heavier and have a lower ratio of internal volume to cabinet size: the "neo crunch" has led KEF and most other companies to replace compact and powerful neo magnets with larger but much cheaper ceramic magnets wherever they can. One thing I like about the 3005SE is that they are voiced to sound good in smaller rooms. (The flip side is that in larger rooms they sound dull.)

In a more conventional shape, and voiced a bit more brightly, the NHT Absolute Zero is a top-notch speaker.

For less than the cost of a nice dinner for two, the Pioneer BS22 is better than an awful lot of "high end" speakers. It's also considerably hotter up top than the 3005SE, but seems a bit closed-in on top. So toe-in is fairly useful to get the treble balance right.

Someone else mentioned the Gallo Stradas. They should definitely be heard before prospective purchase. Neutral they are not. But if one likes them...nothing else will sound like them. Just don't buy Gallo's crappy solid core speaker wire with them. It's not reliable.

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The Absolute Sound puts the Silverline Minuet Supreme on their Editor's Choice list. It's shorter and narrower than the NHT Zeros and the PSB mini, but it's deeper. Comes in rosewood veneer or piano black. About $750.

Big sound, dig deep into the low 50s, yet are surprisingly efficient.

http://www.silverlineaudio.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=91

Not sure how they would sound wall mounted however because they are rear ported.
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The Absolute Sound puts the Silverline Minuet Supreme on their Editor's Choice list. It's shorter and narrower than the NHT Zeros and the PSB mini, but it's deeper. Comes in rosewood veneer or piano black. About $750.

Big sound, dig deep into the low 50s, yet are surprisingly efficient.

A 3.25" midrange rated down to 55HZ? I suppose anything is possible, but that sounds rather suspect to me. Anyone hear these things by chance?

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A 3.25" midrange rated down to 55HZ? I suppose anything is possible, but that sounds rather suspect to me. Anyone hear these things by chance?

They are highly rated for sure... but Stereophile and HTM have measured them (at least the original, non-Supreme Plus version), and they do not to 55hz with any authority... According the the measurements, they look to be around -10dB at 55Hz, and bass begins to roll off above 100Hz.... but Silverline did still manage decent low end for such a small driver.
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A 3.25" midrange rated down to 55HZ? I suppose anything is possible, but that sounds rather suspect to me. Anyone hear these things by chance?

I myself haven't, but they have been at shows and of course have been reviewed by TAS and others. The only reason I know of these is that I've been looking for smallish bookshelves for my own living room. The Source Loudspeakers you linked to look promising. They too go quite low, especially for being sealed. Have you heard them? I especially like the looks of their 1.5A WC. Currently I'm leaning towards the Defintive Technology sm45 bookshelf speaker.
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The Source Loudspeakers you linked to look promising. They too go quite low, especially for being sealed. Have you heard them? I especially like the looks of their 1.5A WC. Currently I'm leaning towards the Defintive Technology sm45 bookshelf speaker.

I haven't had the chance to hear them, but it's not from lack of trying; I've been working with John off and on for a few months now, trying to secure some to review, but he's a hard man to pin down. I was actually looking at the Source 5.2 as a front stage for myself because I would prefer something on the smaller side.

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Yup, a budget and room size would certainly be helpful.

NHT Absolute Zero is a nice speaker, as is the Paradigm MilleniaOne. A less well know option might be the Source Loudspeaker 1.4CF.

+1 Absolute zeros. Not the world's smallest, but can x-over to a sub at a reasonable level (~120 Hz).
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They are highly rated for sure... but Stereophile and HTM have measured them (at least the original, non-Supreme Plus version), and they do not to 55hz with any authority... According the the measurements, they look to be around -10dB at 55Hz, and bass begins to roll off above 100Hz.... but Silverline did still manage decent low end for such a small driver.

Yeah, x-over that at 100 Hz...
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I think this comparison chart will help anyone looking for the best small speakers for them:

http://www.geektoogeek.com/best-small-speakers-find-the-best-portable-speakers-for-your-needs/

Good luck!

And that is quite useless - noting to do with the question at hand.
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Yeah, x-over that at 100 Hz...

Finally read the Absolute Sound review which I just found at http://www.avguide.com/review/silverline-minuet-supreme-loudspeaker-tas-211

Interestingly the reviewer lists the FR from 60hz to 28 khz, which differs from the 55hz on Silverline's website. He crosses the them over to his sub at 70 hz.

But then again we didn't hear from the OP whether a sub will even be used ...

From the review I found it intriguing that the designer says the type of wood used in the veneer makes a difference in the sound, hmmm.
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The best?! Under $1200?

http://www.salksound.com/wow1%20-%20home.htm

Superb drivers and crossover design, as well as the unbeatable and lovely Salk cabinetry. $1199.

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